Paul Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I almost feel like going down there myself. Go on then. Make sure you wear something bright so I can see you on the news getting a good beating from plod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 While I agree with the general thrust of your comments, I'd be a bit cautious about Alex Jones' stuff. I don't know much about him, but the little I've seen is really ringing alarm bells for me. I know where you're coming from, and agreed his tactics can be a little on the oppressive side but in the end he has made some of the most widely publicised features on the subject, so he's a good place to start. I would however encourage everyone to do their own research and make their own conclusions, rather than based on other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Would you rather have rampaging hoards throughout the whole of London, or confine the damage to one small area, keep it controlled and allow the 'protesters' to wear themselves out. Nothing about fish in a barrel, more about keeping control of some very dangerous individuals and a crowd of sheep that will join in just for the 'fun'. Hoards is a bit of an over estimation. From the TV pics there weren't many of them in that group and some of them just wanted to go home. (Granted what's on the tele is different to being there) Hell, if I were trapped in that lot I'd fight tooth and nail to have the freedom to walk up the street and go home. I still don't understand it. Surely it's just antagonising the people you've penned in? This is certainly what happened in my local town. The drunks were OK until the Police surrounded them. All of a sudden it was very confrontational and was only going to end in one way - with them getting taken away in cuffs. The decision to do that led to a foregone conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 The FBI have been trying to ban that film for weeks now. They can't, because it's a fair, accurate and contemporaneous representation of what's going on in the world. www.infowars.com has the Obama Deception in HD. Hmmm, I enjoy watching the Alex Jones' stuff, even if it is for a far off alternative view. EDIT : Found a youtube link eAaQNACwaLw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 While I agree with the general thrust of your comments, I'd be a bit cautious about Alex Jones' stuff. I don't know much about him, but the little I've seen is really ringing alarm bells for me. thats why you still believe climate change, you probably wont like him, as you'll call him a conspiracy theorist, (ive noticed you like that saying) even though most of what he has said for ten years has come true I know where you're coming from, and agreed his tactics can be a little on the oppressive side but in the end he has made some of the most widely publicised features on the subject, so he's a good place to start. I would however encourage everyone to do their own research and make their own conclusions, rather than based on other people. Yes take the info do your own research, but try not to go all mainstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't, because I've seen enough to know that we are so far along with the idea of a 'one world government' and the tri-lateral schemes outlined in the Bilderberg Group meetings (the 132 heads of the very top financial institutions in the world, including Barack himself and other highly-placed polititians). A friend of mine told me about this and a great deal more over a few pints on a Sunday afternoon in 2000. I thought it was a little far fetched at the time, and wondered if he still had the lingering affects of something else from something the night before. Over the last 9 years it's become more and more apparent that he wasn't a paranoid conspiracy theorist. An event here... and event there, a buzz word being introduced by the media... it all forms a bigger picture. Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy paranoia, you have to be a fool to believe everything you're told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't get it. We sit around and moan that "nothing gets done"...then the moment a few people decide to make their feelings known then it's all "isn't it terrible?". I'm happy to see the chaos, good luck to 'em. This government needs to realise that the public really has had enough of their BS. Couldn't agree more. Nothing wrong with a good riot now and again, always good for waking up the establishment regardless of who's throwing the bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I am at Lehman, they should feel sorry for us You should have gone out and asked for a whip round.. I went down to protest, I was really hungry when I came home so I cooked three lobsters and chucked two away as I was full after the first one... To settle my tummy I went out for a nice blast in the Supra and used up £40 in Petrol... Went to bed and slept like a baby.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This isn't going to end well is it? So someone died... Nice Police work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexsum Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 it is odd that people are so angry but don't have any unity of purpose or cause. what are they actually protesting about? some for environment, some for jobs, some anti-bank, some anti-government. recalling my old history classes - campaigns with broad agenda don't work - eg. see the chartist movement. there needs to be a focus otherwise there is no voice heard other than rambling posh kids (see brian ferry offspring) or old hippies that the media focus on. in short there won't be a revolution as everyone is still relatively comfortable - compared to the real poor people of the world which we are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 You should have gone out and asked for a whip round.. I went down to protest, I was really hungry when I came home so I cooked three lobsters and chucked two away as I was full after the first one... To settle my tummy I went out for a nice blast in the Supra and used up £40 in Petrol... Went to bed and slept like a baby.. Should that not have been Sushi !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What are you saying Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What are you saying Mike? That the Police herded everyone into a square, told them they couldn't leave, hit them with bats and kicked them to the floor... and some old geezer croaked. What exactly was the strategy there? other than 'lets beat fuck out of the general public'....? I'd be be throwing more than bricks at them in the same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is turning v.ugly. I can see today being worse than yesterday as its the final day the rioters get their last chance to cause havoc and chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think the coppers are in a very difficult situation when they get asked to police this kind of demonstration. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I didn't watch it much, but from what I saw on the news (possibly blinkered, I know), they did a great job. No-one wants to see anyone hurt or killed in a demo, least of all the police. They have to make of it what they can at the time. They don't have the benefit of hindsight to run "what-if" scenarios: all they can do is look back at what happened and try to improve it further in the future. It could have turned a lot nastier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Oh that's ok then I thought you were implying the Police killed that chap. I wasn't there so I can't possibly comment on events of yesterday. But I was working the City disturbances of 98 & 99 and a number of the May Day dust ups as well. I will say this though, I am all for lawful peacful protest. It's a constitutional right under the European Covention for Human Rights and I applaud people who feel passionate enough about an issue to get up off there lazy arses and actually do somthing about it rather than make obtuse comments on something that they've heard or seen via the media. However, when peaceful protest turns ugly, often initiated by a minority hell bent on causing damage to property and injury to Police Officers, whose intention I might add, is there to facilitate a peaceful and lawful protest, then IMO, those demonstrators who have their own agenda to cause damage and injury ruin it for everyone else. Not the Police. I feel for those lawful demonstrators who get caught up in the middle of it, but having been in large scale disorder, and your back is up against the wall and you think that you're either going to get very badly hurt or worse, then you will at the end of the day do what you have to do. The actions of a few hundred hardcore Anarchists and their ilk ruined yesterdays demo. Their intention was, from the start to smash up property and attack people who even resembled a banker. The vast majority of those protestors weren't out for trouble, that was shown in the footage and was evident. They probably never have any contact with the Police ever in their lives, but protesting doesn't mean doing what you like. As shown throughout all of this crisis, it is the actions of the few that have long lasting and damaging effects for the many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Don't get me wrong, some will have an honest political cause for being there, but I can bet a lot are there simply for let's say "entertainment purposes". Certainly looks like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't get it. We sit around and moan that "nothing gets done"...then the moment a few people decide to make their feelings known then it's all "isn't it terrible?". I'm happy to see the chaos, good luck to 'em. This government needs to realise that the public really has had enough of their BS. Agree, we are all very comfortable in this country to get off our backsides and do something about it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Oh that's ok then I thought you were implying the Police killed that chap. I think we can agree that the actions of the Police didn't really help the situation? I wouldn't necessarily say they directly caused the guy to keel over. The footage I saw on the news yesterday showed the Police 'taking ground' and basically being incredibly brutal with some of the demonstrators. It was a little shocking to be honest. While I agree that not all of the people demonstrating where there to make any political statements (obviously a minority of anarchist types will turn up to the opening of an envelope if it means they can burn down a building) the footage I saw clearly showed some people 'not able to move away' as quickly as the Police would like, and sadly got quite a beating for it. Why did they keep them in such a small area? Surely they should have removed small groups of them and dispersed them slowly? Is this not a tactic used for dispersing football fans or whatever? They blatantly made a mess of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarf Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 what i dont get it there meant to be there to protest peacefully and not cause any trouble, yet there all walking round with balaclavas and weapons :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 what i dont get it there meant to be there to protest peacefully and not cause any trouble, yet there all walking round with balaclavas and weapons :s They're the 'anarchists' Not all of the protesters were wearing balaclavas and holding weapons... but lets not bother about them, lets concentrate on the minority and tar the rest with the same brush eh? like the Muslims debates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Democracy is to elect a group of people to act in the best interest of the majority who elected them. If the interests of the majority are not represented then the majority has the option of voicing its opinion and wait until the next elections... Bit pedantic of me to say this, but that's not what democracy's supposed to be about. It's supposed to be that every person has a voice, not majority rules. Example, is it in the interest of the majority to spend £££££ on the Disability Discrimination Act? Of course it isn't, but to those people it does affect, it makes a big difference to their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 what i don't get is why the rest of us are taxed to death for not being "green" - these 20 plonkers can come to london - in a public venue with thousands of police, hundreds of cars, ambulances, FBI/CIA/Secret service etc etc - all in the public eye... which will no doubt all come from OUR pocket! ... to me, this is just another kick in the nuts for the hard working people of this country... why didn't these muppets who we've "elected" - not just go to a secure military facility somewhere else? why not use video conferencing? this is just a jolly for them.. Devos 2009 achieved nothing, the Pre-G20 meeting achieved nothing... and guess what... this current Jolly will achieve..... NOTHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't get it. We sit around and moan that "nothing gets done"...then the moment a few people decide to make their feelings known then it's all "isn't it terrible?". I'm happy to see the chaos, good luck to 'em. This government needs to realise that the public really has had enough of their BS. thumbs up to you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The footage I saw on the news yesterday showed the Police 'taking ground' and basically being incredibly brutal with some of the demonstrators. It was a little shocking to be honest. . seen this happen at the anti-war protests back in January.... the police provoked and charged at protestors at which point people started fighting back. of course, sky news et al just showed the side the n.w.o wanted you to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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