Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Some of you sound like you'd be happier living in China or North Korea. You also sound like fools. That is such a nice way of putting it. Guns do solve everything, after all. Protests should be banned, because people shouldn't be allowed a voice when things start going wrong. It's people like that who are the real miscreants here. Ignorance is truely a form of bliss, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 That is such a nice way of putting it. Guns do solve everything, after all. Protests should be banned, because people shouldn't be allowed a voice when things start going wrong. It's people like that who are the real miscreants here. Ignorance is truely a form of bliss, it seems. I feel communism. Im just at work and everyone has sky news live on their computers, i asked all of them what the hell is the G20 meeting and why is their so much protest, unfortunately nobody gave me an answer so i had to resort to the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 That is such a nice way of putting it. Guns do solve everything, after all. Protests should be banned, because people shouldn't be allowed a voice when things start going wrong. It's people like that who are the real miscreants here. Ignorance is truely a form of bliss, it seems. so where in the demonstrators handbook does it state that during a peacfull protest one has to start smashing up local buildings etc? or whacking a copper with a metal bar? now I'm all for people voicing their opinions but when (and we see this at most protests) violence is used it should be used back twice as much! but I like my bliss full world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 I still think police should be armed with better weapons and that their safety should be paramount importance, hence I still don't believe batons fit the bill for close quarter combat. I guess they do have tear gas but that is not useful in close quarters. Do our police carry tazers? Actually no need to answer that, I am sure if I keep watching sky news it will let me find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 now I'm all for people voicing their opinions but when (and we see this at most protests) violence is used it should be used back twice as much! but I like my bliss full world. (how to contradict yourself in 2 paras?) Mate, the people at G20 might just have a point, ever thought of that? How about the people in China protesting at Tiananmen Square in 1989? Did they have a point? The police/military didn't think so at the time. IMO we're moving towards a dictatorial society and anything that aims to stop it is OK in my book. The sheer numbers involved should be a wakeup call, even for the ignorant among us. All this new world order stuff is getting real - it's not about tin foil hats anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 (how to contradict yourself in 2 paras?) IMO we're moving towards a dictatorial society and anything that aims to stop it is OK in my book. Somewhat agree.. not sure about full on violence against innocent people who happen to work in the industry. The sheer numbers involved should be a wakeup call, even for the ignorant among us. All this new world order stuff is getting real - it's not about tin foil hats anymore. I just think its a brilliant excuse for every unemployed bum to have a riot, plus the weather is nice too. Don't get me wrong, some will have an honest political cause for being there, but I can bet a lot are there simply for let's say "entertainment purposes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 (how to contradict yourself in 2 paras?) Mate, the people at G20 might just have a point, ever thought of that? How about the people in China protesting at Tiananmen Square in 1989? Did they have a point? The police/military didn't think so at the time. IMO we're moving towards a dictatorial society and anything that aims to stop it is OK in my book. The sheer numbers involved should be a wakeup call, even for the ignorant among us. All this new world order stuff is getting real - it's not about tin foil hats anymore. ok but Gaz why should people like us feel the consequences of the fat cats greed, we work ass hard for our money and you can probably appreciate why people are getting so upset about it, we make the economy, we run the country with our tax's and the top big boys think that they can drive around in ferrari's and nobody will say anything to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 (how to contradict yourself in 2 paras?) Mate, the people at G20 might just have a point, ever thought of that? How about the people in China protesting at Tiananmen Square in 1989? Did they have a point? The police/military didn't think so at the time. IMO we're moving towards a dictatorial society and anything that aims to stop it is OK in my book. The sheer numbers involved should be a wakeup call, even for the ignorant among us. All this new world order stuff is getting real - it's not about tin foil hats anymore. I havent argued the whys or wheres of them being there. quite frankly I couldnt care less. I havent watched anything about the G20 or what they are protesting about. No doubt all of it will affect me at some point but hey, thats life! my gripe is the fact that a peace full protests always end in violence. so why shouldn't the cops go in and sort out the trouble with as much force as the deem fit? On a whole I think they have done a cracking job and controlled the situations very well. All my comments on this thread have been about the stupidity of the people that are there... not what they are demonstrating for/against. why go to a protest wearing full on camo gear and hiding behind hoods and masks? As one reporter stated "a chap has just walked past in a full balaclava carrying a large piece of wood" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 why go to a protest wearing full on camo gear and hiding behind hoods and masks? As one reporter stated "a chap has just walked past in a full balaclava carrying a large piece of wood" Those questions don't need answering Lets just hope England win tonight and this doesn't get any worse - lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 All my comments on this thread have been about the stupidity of the people that are there... not what they are demonstrating for/against. why go to a protest wearing full on camo gear and hiding behind hoods and masks? To freak out the establishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 At least we can give the police credit this time for being fully prepared this time (although they are still heavily out numbered) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 You guys are missing the bigger picture here. Maybe before classifying everyone there as 'bums who just want to cause trouble' you should look at the reasoning behind it? I say fair play, at least they're doing something. ...Oh, and it's very unusual to have a large gathering of people and not have any violence. Just look at football, or even the Pope in Rome. He has had problems with people wanting to get too close to the preacher. I'd even go as far as to say it's in the human sociological nature to have conflict. It's a fact that is as sad as it is true. Yay for capitalism, anyway. ok but Gaz why should people like us feel the consequences of the fat cats greed, we work ass hard for our money and you can probably appreciate why people are getting so upset about it, we make the economy, we run the country with our tax's and the top big boys think that they can drive around in ferrari's and nobody will say 'anything to them. OK, this is an epic fail. What do you think the protests are about? Just people wanting to grow long hair and live with animals? Open your eyes man! Oh, and the taxes are only taken from the people. They don't run the economy, which has become plainly obvious in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Democracy is to elect a group of people to act in the best interest of the majority who elected them. If the interests of the majority are not represented then the majority has the option of voicing its opinion and wait until the next elections... Unfortunately peacefull protests do not wake up people enough. See it from another point of view, which country on this planet has a peacefull army to protect itself or even invade other countries? C'mon people, we're not much different from other animals, it needs to get physical for people to realise there's something going on, most of the times, like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Interesting points Gaz and multics,....let me ponder for a moment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 You guys are missing the bigger picture here. Maybe before classifying everyone there as 'bums who just want to cause trouble' you should look at the reasoning behind it? I say fair play, at least they're doing something. Thats the point... I'm not looking at why they are doing it. I'm looking at what they are actually doing I have no interest in politics and I also have no interest in going on a protest... but I will take an interest in the ones that use it as an excuse for violence and then whinge when the cops hand them their arses. ...Oh, and it's very unusual to have a large gathering of people and not have any violence. Just look at football, or even the Pope in Rome. He has had problems with people wanting to get too close to the preacher. I'd even go as far as to say it's in the human sociological nature to have conflict. It's a fact that is as sad as it is true. And my comments will be the same for them. Having dealt with football hooligans on a professional level I hold the same contempt for them as I do for the folks smashing the windows of RBS. but last time I looked this thread was about the soon to be riots in london.. not a debate on the reasons why. I dont join in the political debates on here etc for the simple reason as I have my opinions and whilst I may not always have the words to describe what I want, there will always be someone that has more knowledge of it and can give a better argument... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thats the point... I'm not looking at why they are doing it. I'm looking at what they are actually doing I have no interest in politics and I also have no interest in going on a protest... but I will take an interest in the ones that use it as an excuse for violence and then whinge when the cops hand them their arses. And my comments will be the same for them. Having dealt with football hooligans on a professional level I hold the same contempt for them as I do for the folks smashing the windows of RBS. but last time I looked this thread was about the soon to be riots in london.. not a debate on the reasons why. I dont join in the political debates on here etc for the simple reason as I have my opinions and whilst I may not always have the words to describe what I want, there will always be someone that has more knowledge of it and can give a better argument... So that qualifies you to say: just tear gas the lot of em! It's people like you who stifle progress in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 I have responses but I know it'll create a huge political debate (which I'd be quite interested in discussing but I know it will become a downward spiral on an open forum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 So that qualifies you to say: It's people like you who stifle progress in this country. Thank god im not going to be here in 6 months then and you can carry on with the progress. so you think the smashing of buildings and the attack of police persons...(see what i did there?) is ok? I liked the idea of the green folks setting up camp in the road... thats a peace full protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I have responses but I know it'll create a huge political debate (which I'd be quite interested in discussing but I know it will become a downward spiral on an open forum). start a new thread and lets see how it goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 So that qualifies you to say: It's people like you who stifle progress in this country. Don't think he meant that on a serious note surely. Ok whilst I don't disagree with all of their thoughts (the protesters). Is it that important an issue they want to ram home, that they resort to hosting violent protests? Let's assume for a moment they feel it is. By saying you are 'with these protesters', even the violent ones, surely then you are condoning terrorism? It sounds like a far-fetched analogy but breaking down to the question "what is terrorism?" - I think the answer does not fall that far from my point. Take the IRA bombing London to make their point heard. Some could argue (as they did), it was the only way to get through to people. I see little distinction between the 2 acts of violence. Some would even go so far as to say the IRA took the politeness to "warn the police of many bombs which were about to detonate to minimalise innocent casualty rates". The point is, I don't think the numbers of dwellers in the UK have reached such high unprecedented levels of people who are so bitterly against G. Brown to warrant any kind of civil war or even condone these violent protests. If that were true, the government would have removed him from office and wouldn't be bothering with the G20 summit. Afterall they ARE trying to come up with a solution to fix the problem. If the government kept trying with policies to revive the economy and kept failing and this country was in real economic dire levels then perhaps these protests would be more warranted. As and where we stand at the moment, I don't think it is. Surely you'd agree with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I don't, because I've seen enough to know that we are so far along with the idea of a 'one world government' and the tri-lateral schemes outlined in the Bilderberg Group meetings (the 132 heads of the very top financial institutions in the world, including Barack himself and other highly-placed polititians). We're moving towards a time of tyranny and dictatorship, and it's going to be on a global scale. Major world leaders as we see them now are nothing more than puppets for the real powers in this world, who only want one thing: Total power. I like your example using the word "terrorism". It's interesting to note that a terrorist can essentially be anyone you want it to be. They just need to believe in something different to you. The very word was introduced into government policy simply so the general public had something quantitive to hate. It's all carefully orchestrated bureaucracy . With the information I've got it's all too easy to look at the coming situation and compare it to Nazi Germany, Maoist China or Stalinist Russia. It's been proved as a failure time and time again, but this time the movement is a LOT more effective. Most people, even on here, are so blinkered by the all-knowing media that they can't accept they're running themselves into oblivion. If some of the people who do have an open mind feel like they want to do something about it, then why shouldn't they stand up? It's no different to French, Belgian or Dutch freedom fighters standing up against the Nazis. Of course this is all my opinion, but I can qualify my statements. It would be good if everyone on here did just a little bit of reading or research about it, then maybe we'd have a few more opened eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 I like your example using the word "terrorism". It's interesting to note that a terrorist can essentially be anyone you want it to be. They just need to believe in something different to you. The very word was introduced into government policy simply so the general public had something quantitive to hate. It's all carefully orchestrated bureaucracy . You are right there but for some reason it has been attached to the stigma of evil. I am interested in these readings you refer to - genuinely. Any key words or authors you ca refer me so I can google/search to read into what you are referring to? Surely you are not alone with these thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 oh well... time to bow out of this thread.... I still say tear gas em all.... as I am now qualified! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 You are right there but for some reason it has been attached to the stigma of evil. I am interested in these readings you refer to - genuinely. Any key words or authors you ca refer me so I can google/search to read into what you are referring to? Surely you are not alone with these thoughts. I really am not alone mate, trust me. Films are a good start. Alex Jones is a good journalist who covers a lot of the issues. I'd start with a film called 'the Obama Deception' which should really kick things off for you. Once you've watched that, have a read up on some of the points it raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 2 videos to look for (I think they are on youtube) are 'TheTrap' and 'The Power Of Nightmares' they are both very interesting viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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