caseys Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 ABH/GBH at the least Surely manslaughter as the bloke actually died? I thought ABH/GBH was used when the victim remains alive. Still, doesn't bode well. I feel sorry for the bloke as he's an innocent bystander and the police really don't need this sort of press. Apart from this incident I think the G20 stuff seemed pretty well handled over here, when it moved on to other countries in Europe wasn't tear gas and rubber bullets fired? I don't know if that was due to angry mobs or the police being sterner though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Apart from this incident I think the G20 stuff seemed pretty well handled over here I thought that too, the containment idea wound the demonstrators up but seemed to work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I wonder what would have happened if that copper had a gun. Thank heavens we don't routinely arm our police. For some the power trip is too much to handle - obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Nothing will happen. They can shoot innocent people in the head these days and get away with it. I'm sure there will be all sorts of 'reasons' as to why the push was justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 It just goes to show some coppers are just tossers out on a power trip (as we know). I hope that guy gets his balls cut off and lose his job. Ever been in a riot/protest? - You try do their job. Edit: No doubt we'll have yet another fair investigation and outcome by the IPCC Every time there is a death - Think they have an obligaiton to. ABH/GBH at the least Doubt it. Death = manslaughter if no intention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Ever been in a riot/protest? I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Nothing will happen. They can shoot innocent people in the head these days and get away with it. I'm sure there will be all sorts of 'reasons' as to why the push was justified. Surely you're not suggesting some kind of 'Police brutality' occurred here? How would you have dealt with the situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I have. It was directed at Pete as you well know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Is there an echo in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Surely you're not suggesting some kind of 'Police brutality' occurred here? How would you have dealt with the situation? I'd have taken my hands out of my pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'd have taken my hands out of my pockets. That would have made a rubbish video. The guy should have pulled that face... just to make it look like he 'wasn't doing nothing'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I have. Only on here though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Every time there is a death - Think they have an obligaiton to. How independent are the IPCC though? Some previous cases I've heard them investigate seem to end up being a whitewash, that's the impression I've got anyway. I appreciate that there is always two sides to a story and hope for a full and fair investigation of this incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The IPCC is comprised of both police officers and civilians. It's run as an independant watchdog to regulate how the police deal with misconduct etc. For example, any deaths in police custody. Although they are independant by definition, who regulates the IPCC should be the question to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Googled it and they are independant of the Government/Police yet are funded by the Home Office? Case of not biting the hand that feeds you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Ever been in a riot/protest? - You try do their job. You're suggesting the offer was confused or something? Then he shouldn't have been there. They receive strict training on what to do in the situation and I would expect the Police to be protecting the public from danger - not putting them in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm not really a "police lover" (although there is a really cute blonde female one in Warminster) but I just wonder if the vids all it seems to be ? The guy had his hands in his pockets and was walking away from the line of cops - but, was he being a smart arse and walked out slowly in front of a line of cops who were walking quickly ? If so, I think they did the right thing in getting rid of him obstucting them as quickly as pos. They can't stop and ask people who walk in front of a line of cops to "move aside pretty please". If I was him, I think I would have: a, found another route. b, waited until they had passed to walk on. c, walked faster ! I think generally our cops take a to soft approach with some rioting scumbags (not counting the two who told me I would be arrested if I set foot in Hyde Park a few years ago during a demo). If the guy was being a smartarse, I hope the press / politicans don't take it out on the cop. If he wasn't, the cop should get a mild ticking off. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 If this was a BNP march I would have such a different view on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 If this was a BNP march I would have such a different view on this So would I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 The guy had his hands in his pockets and was walking away from the line of cops - but, was he being a smart arse and walked out slowly in front of a line of cops who were walking quickly ? I thought that too TBH, he looked very nonchalant for a guy faced with a line of riot police, as if he was trying to wind them up. I'm not pretending to know the full facts but it does seem strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I thought that too TBH, he looked very nonchalant for a guy faced with a line of riot police, as if he was trying to wind them up. I'm not pretending to know the full facts but it does seem strange. Get real. Its just like the vid of the young girl in Seattle getting a hammering for nonchalantly kicking her shoes off outside the cell. This is ourageous. The police are not there to be bullies or to make the law. They are there to uphold the law and that bloke was walking along the street away from the plod, keeping quite and not walking in a provocative manner (for what difference that would make anyway) with his hands in his pockets. He was attacked from behind by a thug. I hope that officer loses his job and it makes the others inclined to act in that manner to think hard about it. As soon as the average man on the street has no respect for the police then we have nothing left as a society. It will be a vigilante state where it is everyman for himself. The police have got to keep the respect of the public and this officer MUST be sacked and prosecuted for ABH. I would even contribute to the costs of a private prosecution if it ever came to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 So would I The coppers would probably have laid on burgers and a sound system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 If this was a BNP march I would have such a different view on this And what if Mr Tomlinson had been seen a while earlier at the front of the crowd of protestors joining in the 'riot' wearing a National Front T-shirt???? As we live in a country with a judicial system that says people are innocent until proven guilty, I'm still going to wait for the outcome of the IPCC and inquest and any court cases before passing judgement. That short clip of video does appear to show something very wrong..... but its not the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Get real. I am real thanks. At what point in my post did I say: A: The policeman was right to hit him B: He shouldn't face any action C: The guy deserved it D: Any of the other stuff you spouted Discussions aren't a case of your point vs everyone elses, get some perspective on things before you start insulting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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