bromy Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 FP2. P1 Sutil 1:23.924 P20 Fisichella 1:25.543 You can buy T-$#@!s that say "better a bad day on the beach than a good day in the office" I wonder if the same goes for Ferrari against FI? How much of a different animal is it jumping from one car into another and being quick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Actually can you? Does your team get a million pounds per point prize money or something? Eddie Jordan mentioned that for every place higher in the constructors championship it was worth another few million. FI are now above Torro Rosso. Sorry I've only just seen this. To be honest it's all part of the Concorde agreement, which only the Team principles and maybe the company directors have the privilege of reading as it's confidential, but it's thought to be a certain number of million pounds per point. That said, it's well known that unless you score a point, you have to pay for your own transport for all the team and equipment and that in itself can range into many houndreds of thousands of dollars. Then there will be clauses with sponsers that are based upon points. There's also usually clauses in drivers contracts that say "if you don't score a certain number of points by a certain date then the driver can walk" or something similar. On a personal level, we get a bonus that is determined on our championship position, but it's not really about that. When we were Jordan, we had a points bonus scheme, so each employee would get something like £30 for every point scored. We came second in Australia in 1999, I remember it very well but I couldn't tell you what I spent the bonus on. Just having the points is far more rewarding than the cash. Most of all though, it's knowing that we're not a bunch of idiots that don't know what we're doing. We're genuinely competing with (and beating some) of the massively larger funded teams, and we're doing it with half the staff. I can't tell you how satisfying that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 How much of a different animal is it jumping from one car into another and being quick? Massively different by the looks of it. Fisichella was generally 0.2 secs slower than Sutil, so if he stayed with us he'd possibly have put it in second. Liuzzi put it in 12th place on a 1:24.921 and was on a lap which would have seen him about 7th/8th but got held up by Kubica on the last corner, but then if's and but's don't win races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Great Quali by McLaren and for sure, Force India and Brawn. Felt a bit sorry for Fisi though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Another good FI performance, looking forward to the race tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Well done to the Four Sindys. That new guy is a bit quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Cheers guys! I've said all season that Monza would be good for us, but never expected it to be this good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 The car weights. I haven't got a clue who's favourite. It's always nice to be at the front of the grid but not so good when you've got less fuel. Mclaren said it may rain a little during the race too. 1. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 653.5kg 2. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 655 3. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 662 4. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 683 5. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 688.5 6. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 687 7. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 679.5 8. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 677.5 9. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 682 10. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 683 11. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 703 12. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 699.8 13. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 697.5 14. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 690 15. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 697.5 16. Timo Glock, Toyota, 709.8 17. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 706.2 18. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 708.6 19. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 706 20. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 706 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 looks like the McLarens are genuinely quick, great position by Heikki... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Mclaren, please make sure the tires are all there tomorrow.... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Brawn's, on Q2 pace, are looking ominous, if they can hold station off the line. I think both FI's should score points which will further cement their position in the standings. I don't think the KERS cars will be as fast in the race as they are in Quali trim due to 2 things. KERS Quali lap is double boosted - off the parabolica on their warmup lap they boost towards the start and finish line...then as they cross the line they get another 6.67secs of boost to use over the actual qualifying lap. This can't be reproduced over the race so they loose that advantage. 2nd'ly McLaren have said the braking zone's arn't big or frequent enough to recharge the system fully so they can only get an 80% charge every lap. With this in mind it means that FI was actually on pole, if the double boosting wasn't possible. I think McLaren and Ferrari will slip back in the race. Brawn and FI to fight it out for first IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Storming overtake from Liuzzi there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 poor hamilton. caught out between the two lesbos on the last lap:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Cant believe he made that mistake and blew the race from that position. Well done to Barrichello - good finale to the season - would be a nice sending off for Rubens should he win the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Restorer Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Fair play to Hamilton for trying so hard. I don't think anyone can really knock him for that. Was a good race today as well. Plenty of overtaking throughout the middle and the 2 Toyota's seemed to be having plenty of fun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 what was wrong with rubens gearbox? they were saying it wouldnt last the race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Good race that in relation to today's standards. Jake: Do you know her? Sutil: Not yet! what was wrong with rubens gearbox? they were saying it wouldnt last the race? It was charred from the fire it received at Spa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 It was charred from the fire it received at Spa. i see forgot about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Fair play to Hamilton for trying so hard. I don't think anyone can really knock him for that. For a champ he does have the knack of making a few mistakes at critical points during the championship regardless of whether he is a contender for the title (last 2 years) or whether he is not (this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8256295.stm Lotus confirmed for 2010 As are US F1, Manor and Campos. BMW still have the 14th slot, hopefully that'll become Sauber's full venture once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 That is good news, fingers crossed for Sauber too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 be good to see lotus back, pity its not british anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 BMW sold... to an investment fund. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8256739.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 be good to see lotus back, pity its not british anymore Ownership is nothing The cars will be built in Naarfolk Might have to swing by and see if they need an I.T. monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Wonder if they'll have Toyota engines seeing as they do for all their road cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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