merckx Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Button is the second lightest. Hamilton is the heaviest. 1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 646kg 2. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 651.5 3. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 649.5 4. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 655 5. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 651.5 6. Timo Glock, Toyota, 646.5 7. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 655.5 8. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 645 9. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 668 10. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 660 11. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 676.6 12. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 677.4 13. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 676.3 14. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 683 15. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 678 16. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 673 17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 669 18. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 657 19. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 675 20. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_mcevoy Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hamilton is topped up to the brim, he's going to be a moving road block for the first half.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Yep, I think McLiars are hoping that his KERS will offset some of his excess fuel off the line. Hamilton P12 into turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Great race, congrats to Brawn yet again.....Button is on top form. Good drive from Barrichello too. Shame about the Ferraris - And good to see webber finish over Vettel (cant stand that guy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexM Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Great race Really? I was wishing I had never got out of bed, extremely stale 'race'.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Was a good race today, really enjoyed watching it. Hamilton does not seem extremely happy with his car (who can blame him) Looking forward to Monaco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 yeah button was on top form he must think hes in a dream world this season . anyway noob question for you tech heads how does KERS work ???? i know its a build up of kenetic energy but im foxed as how its turned into a boost of power . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 anyway noob question for you tech heads how does KERS work ???? 04CarbWxX4o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Great race You're kidding, it was one of the most boring races I've seen. Spain is well known for it's lack of overtaking opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 The Mclaren version of Kers was on bbc's red button after a recent race. This is the translated version which is infact more detailed than the direct English one. . QwDGz4kcwPc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 the prancing horse threatens to quit F1 over the budget caps anyone seen a dummy laying around here anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 You're kidding, it was one of the most boring races I've seen. not at all, for a F1 race it was very exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Renault have just announced a similar threat to leave F1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Renault have just announced a similar threat to leave F1. The only good thing from that is it would get rid of the biggest tw@t on the grid and the worst driver on the grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Forumla 3 team Litespeed are supposedly bidding for entry into the 2010 season. http://www.f1technical.net/news/12412 Is Prodrive boss Dave Richards still interested, not seen anything re it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 So there are teams ready to arrive, and because of the leak of those emails between Ferrari and the FIA they won't want to be seen to give in to Ferrari again - looks like the cap will stay in place for next year. We'll lose a few teams maybe and gain some crap teams in their place. With the boost (KERS) system and the idea of all teams using the same engine, it's getting more and more like A1GP all the time!!! Why don't they just keep the setup as it is at the moment, and reverse the finishing positions for the start of the next race? The first race could be decided by championship position from last season. Saturday qualifying could be replaced by a voluntary 'fun' race day, to include any testing the teams want, and a couple of races resulting in incentives for the teams that win, things like grid position increases or higher rev limits allowed on race day etc. Result: FAR more exciting racing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 F1 is the pinnicle of motorsport...the best brains and the best money. It's incredibly cost effective for marketing (look at ING - who knew who they were before hand). Much as I hate Ferrari, I can't stand the thought of an F1 without them - quite blatently it won't BE F1 anymore.... If Max drives off Ferrari, Bernie will be really p1ssed as his greatest asset is that team - the rights owners to F1 (CVC) will have kittens if their prized asset is suddenly devalued. The deal breaker at the moment, is NOT the budget, it's the 2-tier formula it will breed. There will be £40m cars lapping 3secs a lap faster than unlimited budget cars. THAT IS NOT A SPORT. The cars right now are covered by ~1.5secs...which is just incredible. The drivers ARE making a difference, the good ones are putting slow cars where they have no right to be. The "sport" of F1 has never been closer, but a 2-tier system will blow that away - what a turn off. The technical regulations MUST be the same for all 26 cars taking part. I pray the meeting today goes some way to fixing the 2-tier issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TLicense Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I'm not so sure if the difference in technical regs will make that great a difference. The reason being that to develop the cars to take advantage of the technical freedom will be prohibitively expensive. I think what will happen is you'll have very simplistic cars that are if anything 2 - 3 seconds off the pace of the unlimited budget cars. Take for example USGPE. They've openly said that they're not going to begin tunnel testing until September! That doesn't leave enough time to fully develop a car. If I were to say that at Williams, September 1st is historically the date that the chassis is finally defined and there has probably been somewhere around a 1000 hours of wind tunnel time dedicated to defining it, and a team of 50 - 80 people working solely on the aerodynamics of the chassis (compared to USGPE's entire workforce of 20) you soon get the feeling that it will be a two tier F1. A premier league for the big spenders and the conference for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Surely an adjustable rear wing wouldn't cost a lot to develop? That alone should give cars an edge, especially on tracks with a long straight as well as hairpins? Aren't the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I don't think the alternative regulations will be as free as that. Adjustable rear wings are more complicated than you think. In fact the control system for the front wing flap adjuster is a enough of a nightmare in it's own right. It's not quite a simply as an up/down button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I don't think the alternative regulations will be as free as that. Adjustable rear wings are more complicated than you think. In fact the control system for the front wing flap adjuster is a enough of a nightmare in it's own right. It's not quite a simply as an up/down button. I'm sure! But I heard the biggest budget last year was £270 million, which included driver salaries and everything else! So taking just the technical side it can't have been more than £100 million? And that's the BIGGEST spending team. Didn't seem that big a jump to £40m but I suppose it would be for the big players. I don't pretend to know anything about the budgets really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Brawn has been given KERS. Link Now I don't know about anyone else but I was rather enjoying Brawn without them having cars, the fact they are running rings round cars with KERS. Still no date announced though as a lot of work on the car required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'll be very surprised if they have it before Nurburgring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Brawn has been given KERS. Link Now I don't know about anyone else but I was rather enjoying Brawn without them having cars, the fact they are running rings round cars with KERS. Still no date announced though as a lot of work on the car required. I very much agree with eddie irvine on this. KERS is a waste of time and has no place in F1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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