DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 This is absolutley unbelivable, welcome to a fascist state, and there was me thinking we live in a free and open society:rolleyes: http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/90219 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Is this an early April Fool, or what?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAT Inter Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 That cant be right surely? WTF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markiii Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 So Brown wants us to give him all our personal details (Why TF do they need credit card details) so they can put them all on a CD and lose them again? And in which prisons is he going to put the (99% of) people who refuse to give these details? All the prisons are full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 aFRAID IT IS, IT WAS ANNOUNCED MID LAST YR, ( I FOLLOW THIS NEW WORLD ORDER STUFF ) And i though no way, but now the mainstream media are announcing it ( well a little ) It is all to do with monitoring your carbon footprint ( Man made climate change is nonsence anyway), then if it is excessive they can tax you by making you get carbon credits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 They'll obviously be interested in those going to Afganistan, Iraq and Iran etc which cannot be a bad thing, not many of us go there on holiday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Does anyone have any real detail about this? There are no proper facts in that article, only scaremongering about a "shadowy UK Border Agency" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161108/Fears-airport-chaos-Easter-Government-brings-new-security-holiday.html Here is more info it is called the E-BORDERS DATABASE, it is real, very real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 They already collect most of your info anyway, what do you think happens when you scan your passport at the arrival and destination airports along with the various forms you fill out. Details will include name, address, ethnicity, passport, those are already done when you scan your passport at entry and exit from airports so no change there. Credit card details thats a new one i can't see the logic for that. What happens to those people like myself who when travelling only have an arrival hotel and no specific itinerary ? Typical hammer the whole population because a small minority of it are really the target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7877182.stm SOME MORE READING FOR YOU colsoop "We are sleepwalking into a surveillance state and should remember that George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a blueprint." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markiii Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 If it's to do with carbon footprint then they should weigh YOU and your bags when you get on a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhicks22 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I believe nothing in that article, it's bollocks. Besides, even if it's true, I'll happily fill in a few more forms for the sake of aiding national security. Not that you'd have to fill in any forms. If a scheme like this was actually implemented, it wouldn't be paper based, it'd be an automatic system and you wouldn't have to do anything yourself. I have nothing to hide so don't give a crap what information the government want to keep about me. What are they going to do with it exactly? Nothing. There's nothing they can do that would bother me, except sell it, which they can't and won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 jUST CAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, DOESNT MEAN YOU SHOULD ACCEPT THIS NONSENCE. It is cause people accept this crap that we have cameras on every street, cant fart without permission, have cops that'll rather do you for a motoring offence than solve real crime. If you accept it, where will it end, And dan it is real mate, and it is europe wide, and being implemented as part of a bigger agenda, but then again easier to just deny such things welcome to 1984 if we carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhicks22 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I know the systems are real. I happen to know a lot about them. These 'journalists' (I use the term lightly) twist fragments of knowledge and understanding to scare people into over reaction. Think of the bigger picture. The systems are designed to stop bad things from happening. If you're not planning on doing anything bad, they won't care about you. I'm fairly certain the government has no plan of tracking down people likely to fart to demand they ask for permission. They have bigger agendas. Motoring offences also have nothing to do with this. You're irrationally throwing out your gripes and blaming some new computer system for them. So what if you're recorded on camera walking down a high-street doing some shopping? If you're walking down the high-street holding a gun and threatening people, I'll feel happier knowing you're being recorded. What can they possibly do to you using the 'Big Brother footage' if you haven't done anything wrong? Nothing. The idea is not nonsense. The only nonsense is that projects such as this are usually run by idiots and suffer for being wrapped in endless levels of bureaucracy. That's what people should get annoyed about, not the scheme itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I watched Endgame by Alex Jones the other day, along with a load of other related films (Zeitgeist etc) and TBH it scared the crap out of me. There is no freedom any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 The idea is not nonsense. The only nonsense is that projects such as this are usually run by idiots and suffer for being wrapped in endless levels of beurocracy. That's what people should get annoyed about, not the scheme itself. im aware there is a bigger agenda, and agree that it is usually muppet pen pushers in charge of this, what i dont like is my liberty and freedoms being lost, all for the sake of terrorism,. during the n irish conflicts in the 70's and 80's when we were most at risk this stuff was never proposed. But since al CIAda, we are slowly having our rights removed one bit at a time, everything now is blamed on terrorism. where did al quieda come from? Well the cia in the 70's funded the mujahadeen and taught them to think the russians,( who were in afghan) were attacking there faith, and now 30 yrs on evreything is blamed on them through a fake war on terror. I for one dont trust big govt, and this database is just one of many, have you ever heard politicians/ news mention the new world order, cause it is everywhere, but hardly anyone knows, as they live in there media bubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Al Quaida doesn't exist. It's just a way to classify that particular breed of "terrorist" (Muslim fundamentalists). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 And everything that man said yrs ago is now comming true, and to think alex jones used to be laughed at. im with ya gaz, you seen the obama deception yet gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhicks22 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 In the 70s and 80s systems like this weren't even conceived let alone possible, so the comparison is hardly fair. Trust issues aside, of all the things we can get angry at, I just really don't see this as one of them. I'm also not sure what liberties and freedoms we're likely lose from this. If they were saying we're not allowed to do certain things then that would be different, but while they're just collecting information, I don't think there's a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGYDODDS Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 Dan, i aint angry at it, it makes me laugh if anything, the thing is, the govt bring something in on a certian pretext, then when it is implemented, they can change it's purpose to suit. google new world order it makes for interesting reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhicks22 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Hmm, this is all sounding a bit too conspiracy theory for me. I don't disagree that the government tend to do some dodgy things with changing schemes, I just happen to think that this scheme, as it is now, is a good idea. Off away for the weekend now anyway. It's been a pleasure discussing with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 And everything that man said yrs ago is now comming true, and to think alex jones used to be laughed at. im with ya gaz, you seen the obama deception yet gaz I have, I watched it the other night. Some crazy stuff going on in the world right now lol. I've still got an open mind about it all, but the evidence I've seen so far is pretty shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Any government funded computer database over the past 12 years has failed to materialise. I shouldn't worry too much about it. What I do worry about is the tall CCTV cameras erected on the outskirts of my local town, Leominster, for no apparent reason and in an area not known for trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 When you do leave the country, do you do it under your own steam? or do you engage a booking company or airline? Then your trip is already registered on a number of databases the Government has access to. It's credit to the Daily Express and Daily Mail that they can actually carve out an 'anti-Brown' story from something the average thinking person is already aware of. Still, I like all this Big Brother/New World Order stuff... it sounds exciting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I have enough trouble with the usual form filling that asks where i will be staying. I rarely book a hotel...wheres the fun in knowing where your going to end up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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