Axle Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Thought's on the change? Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I quite like it. I'm sure it will make for better individual races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 seems like an odd thing to do at first but when you think about it there will be all out racing to get the win rather than just sticking with 2nd. Together with the other rule changes im realy looking forward to this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Good call, it brings back the competitiveness of the drivers. Will make for some good racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Glad they ditched the full medal idea but the Idea the wins will decided the title means the key places 1 / 2 & 3 in a race may actually overtake each other more rather then watching the battle for 8th and 9th. Although will teams make their drivers hold back, because to the manufacturer / team the constructors is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I see why they want to do it but i have a feeling it will end the same way as some decisions last season whereby the stewards and or lawyers will determine the result long after the race has finished Wouldn't it also make it more expensive for teams. 2 drivers in a team could have differing points but similar amount of wins meaning the team has to use full resources for both drivers for a longer time period. Not long to go till the first race and im am looking forward to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiversteve Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 FOTA had the better idea of tweaking the point system with a higher point value for a win. With the FIA change it may be possible to have a runawat team success at the begining of the season and then a boring end of season as the nearest competitor, who will have no chance of the championship, simply cruising for points, rather than racing for a win. Imagine the possibility of the championship being won after 12 races, and the winner cruising for the next six races, rather than racing an opponent who could still have beaten them. The tail end of the season is always best when the last race can decide a championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Imagine the possibility of the championship being won after 12 races It could be even worse. 17 races this year so the first driver to win 9 races, the earliest this could happen would be mid July. The old points system was better, 6 points for a second place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Tuesday testing. Unofficial Tuesday times from Jerez: 1. Jenson Button, Brawn BGP 001, 1:17.844 2. Nico Rosberg, Williams FW31, 1:18.071 3. Nelson Piquet, Renault R29, 1:18.382 4. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren MP4-24, 1:19.121 I'm surprised that McLaren have had problems with their aerodynamics package. I suppose you've got no idea of how good it is until you can compare the car against the others in testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 What a load of rubish, are they going to sort the stewards out too, were going to get even more situations where cars are deamed to have cut corners or not backed of enough to let a driver through now as Drivers will be even more determine to go or the win. Most stupid thing they have done so far in my opinion. This season was looking good with RB Racing doing really well, until i just read this. And whilst im at it, has anyone seen the BBC ad for F1 this year, WTF. Whats cars driving round the streets like chavs got to do with F1? Something tells me they BBC are going to make a hash of this, they have not even done a season prequil!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 With the budget cuts they might as well be running GP2 cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Bernie is saying it will make the drivers go all out to win. I may be wrong, but surely the people in F1 are there because all they know how to do is win. They push to the limits and beyond it and then get a slap on the wrists and lose their win when somebody decides they tried too hard. I dont see this making it any better unless they allow for racing incidents and hard driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 What about retiring? Surely the top few teams if running in 3rd/4th or lower will just drop out 10 laps from the end to protect the engines, meaning the crap cars will be coming in 4th, 5th, 6th etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 in all honesty if they want to spice the show up they should follow the feader series and have things like reverse grids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 in all honesty if they want to pice the sho up they should follow the feader series have have things like reverse grids What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 What about retiring? Surely the top few teams if running in 3rd/4th or lower will just drop out 10 laps from the end to protect the engines, meaning the crap cars will be coming in 4th, 5th, 6th etc. That was my first thought on this idea. If Massa's 1 minute down (as he should be....) with 15 laps to go, he's losing a further second every lap, he'll just retire to save his engine. It will render the "behind-the-scenes" points system absolutely irrelevant. If we have a situation where one driver scores more points but doesn't win the title, I know plenty of people who would be so annoyed, even if the new system works in favour of their preferred driver. Bernie's had some sh!te ideas over the last few years. The big ones being changing the points system to cover the top 8 finishers, and now this. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. It wasn't broken yet he screwed with it. Sooner he's out the better. Can't stand the midget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_mcevoy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The problem with that idea is that the manufacturers point are remaining the same so the team wont wont to lose points if they are down in say 6th, 7th or 8th places. That was my first thought on this idea. If Massa's 1 minute down (as he should be....) with 15 laps to go, he's losing a further second every lap, he'll just retire to save his engine. It will render the "behind-the-scenes" points system absolutely irrelevant. If we have a situation where one driver scores more points but doesn't win the title, I know plenty of people who would be so annoyed, even if the new system works in favour of their preferred driver. Bernie's had some sh!te ideas over the last few years. The big ones being changing the points system to cover the top 8 finishers, and now this. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. It wasn't broken yet he screwed with it. Sooner he's out the better. Can't stand the midget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupra Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't agree with it. Having raced myself, (bike's not car's), I know what it mean's to have to be consistant race after race. There are day's when you just can't win, so on that day you need to get the best point's that you can. A "win at all cost's" championship may be more exciting, but i'm guessing at the same time it will be more dangerous. The power's at be will then start penalising people for "dangerous overtake's", and take thing's away from the track anyway. Like someone has metioned already, the championship will be one or lost in a courtroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 What? in all honesty if they want to spice the show up they should follow the feader series and have things like reverse grids I think he's suggesting something I always thought was the best idea; whoever wins a race starts the next race at the back - no qualifying rubbish, just slowest car up front and fastest at the back - that'd certainly make it interesting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I reckon we'll be seeing the safety car a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 bring back manuel gearboxes,no car to pits contact for car or driver/car managment, in fact no driver aids, that should sort then men from the boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Their are no driver aids... Unless a semi-auto gearbox is a driver aide in your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think the rules are a bit strange. Yeah on the one hand it's a good idea to let the person who won the most races get the crown, however it's shows that last year Massa would have won it, and he put on some shoddy performances (I.E. Silverstone where he span out 7 times!!!!!) Don't get me wrong Massa is an amazing driver and i'm not going to lie i'm a big Hamilton fan, but the point is Hamilton was consistantly amazing all last year and in my eyes deserved the championship. I do think they should find a way how to stop people "settling" for second to be tactical but I don't think this is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So if Massa wins 2 races this season, Hamilton and remaining drivers win one a piece, but Massa has 16 or 17 DNFs and Lewis comes 2nd in every race...Massa wins. So would he, should he, be considered a World Champ? Yes & No I guess. Oh the permutations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So if Massa wins 2 races this season, Hamilton and remaining drivers win one a piece, but Massa has 16 or 17 DNFs and Lewis comes 2nd in every race...Massa wins. So would he, should he, be considered a World Champ? Yes & No I guess. Oh the permutations... It's far to late to start thinking of permutations, it will make my brain hurt this late at night. It's bad enough that I'm still working on quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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