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Are we all going broke?!


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if you buy a house and can afford the mortgage, [in time] it will go up in value.When i bought mine interest rates hit 15%.many people had negative equity it was just a case of hanging on and trying to pay the mortgage.

Having said that i feel sorry for youngsters today trying to get on the property ladder.

one minute the house prices are sky high, and then when they drop in price the banks etc won't lend money for a mortgage.

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Sick of these so called experts destroying the very fabric of all we have left. Hope and confidence. Once they go we may as well give up totally. These guys may mean well, expressing real fears and concerns in the vain hope we all sit up, take notice and act (although quite how I've no idea), but in the end they actually exacerbate the situation by publicly advising us that there is no hope at all.

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......just like the media sank Nixon?

 

They expose fraud, you can't then blame investors for removing their money, if its your perception the media are to blame then thats your perspective, mine is that the fraudsters sank Enron and Nixon sank himself.........

 

I understand your point BUT

 

So do you class Bradford and Bingley as Fraudsters? Did they deserve to go under? - They were a strong company until there was a run on their bank following media sensationalism the two days before...

 

As for Enron, my point was that even though there was fraud the company itself was so huge it could (I have been told) have repaired the damage done and continued trading. There was so much panic caused by the media it created a 'run on the bank' and money was removed from profitable areas of Enron

 

As for Nixon I think comparing him to a huge multi billion dollar company is slighty inaccurate.

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I understand your point BUT

 

So do you class Bradford and Bingley as Fraudsters? Did they deserve to go under? - They were a strong company until there was a run on their bank following media sensationalism the two days before...

 

Erm, no! Like I said, look deeper.

 

for example

The Government will nationalise Bradford & Bingley’s mortgage business – which is regarded as one of the most risky in the business. Ministers hope that the move may mark the end of the immediate crisis among banks – following the emergency takeovers of HBOS and Alliance & Leicester and the nationalisation of Northern Rock. Several smaller building societies have also merged with larger rivals.

 

Bradford & Bingley is the country’s eighth biggest provider of mortgages and the biggest buy-to-let mortgage lender. It has more than two million savers, employs 3,200 people and has almost 200 branches across the country.

 

It was formerly a staid building society which floated on the stock market in 2000 paying windfalls to hundreds of thousands of customers. The share price has since fallen by more than 90 per cent. Every demutualised building society has now been taken over or collapsed.

 

Since becoming a bank, Bradford & Bingley changed its business model and began diversifying into far more risky areas of business. More than 80 per cent of its mortgages are to amateur landlords or people who “self-certify” their income and do not need to provide any proof of their pay.

 

It raised the bulk of its money to fund mortgages on international finance markets. However, following the credit crisis and the deteriorating state of the housing market, other banks are now reluctant to lend Bradford & Bingley money. A drop in its credit rating also meant that creditors could start calling in their loans.

Nothing they did was ultimately going to be viable in the long term. They did well when things were on the way up, of course, because they were taking massive risks. But they were WIDE OPEN to what was, as more and more people realise, a completely inevitable change in economic conditions - and were wiped out by that as a result.

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If it were floods or post-apocalypse we could be saved. Saved by Kevin Costner. Hurrah!

 

Another example of media hype!! - Was the Postman ever included in those adverts on 5 for Thursday nights? I didn't think so.

 

I was expecting some brilliant action film last night (was hoping on the wesley Snipes one because the clips looked quite good).... imagine my horror when I found it was the bloody Postman... Again!

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"Since becoming a bank, Bradford & Bingley changed its business model and began diversifying into far more risky areas of business........ Every demutualised building society has now been taken over or collapsed."

 

I just wonder if all those people who voted to turn building societies into banks (and bought shares when public utilities became private companies) still think it was a good idea :)

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Life aint bad for me. Despite moving back into a country I still see as being on the way down I am in a corner of the job market that is very strong. I am earning nearly double what I have ever earned and promotions are flying at me at work. 1 year two promotions and prospects of another if I play my cards right. The housing market dropping here is fantastic for me as I own a house in europe that so far isn't panicking as badly as here is, and the prices may come down far enough for me to buy a second home. Don't mean to upset people that are struggling as its not really their fault they were talked up into the situation they find themselves in.

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