Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well, that's me fooked for an answer then?? Maybe these country's have such massive social problems that it doesn't make much difference to them. Maybe in the Uk it would?? H. Could do, thing is, you get your hand chopped of in China for stealing, but people have to do it to eat / survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexsum Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i have met many murderers in my time and most are everyday type of guys - like people you know, who made a bad mistake and were typically under the influence at the time- a big factor up here. this type of reported case is in the news because it is rare and schocking, even to today's 'jason generation that learns to laugh rather than abhor the horror.' (good quote there, but where from??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 You actually come accross as quite intelligent Matt. Who is on your login?? I think that you have hit the nail on the head. If the punishment was so unpleasant that nobody would find it attractive (no matter what their background) then you would expect to solve the problem.... One thing is for sure, if you kill the trouble maker, there has to be less trouble surely?? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 this type of reported case is in the news because it is rare and schocking, even to today's 'jason generation that learns to laugh rather than abhor the horror.' (good quote there, but where from??) Debbie Does Dallas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Debbie Does Dallas? Spookily, this also involves the eating of body parts and the waving about of heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Spookily, this also involves the eating of body parts and the waving about of heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 You actually come accross as quite intelligent Matt. Who is on your login?? I don't like to show that side of me off, otherwise i'd have no faults and no one likes that! One thing is for sure, if you kill the trouble maker, there has to be less trouble surely?? H. I remember seeing a film ages ago (can't remember the title - but it was quite futuristic), which saw the main character being attacked by an assasin type chap that only killed bad guys. But nethertheless killed them for their crimes. The assasin said he felt no remourse because he wanted to make the world a better place, free of people who commited crimes and only existed with good people in it. The main character said something along the lines of, "you're no better.. blah blah, and what would the world be like if you were still in it after you had done all the killing" Expecting the assasin to not have an answer, he actually said something along the lines of "on the contrary, the world has no place for someone like me, but i am a neccessary tool to achieve the perfect world". Bascially saying he would then kill himself to right the wrongs he had done... Still, the main character didn't agree and ended up killing him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 true, but china's (and the USA) capital punishment figures say otherwise. seriously cuts down the re-offending rate though doesnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Punishment that may seem barbaric to us is only barbaric when its actually carried out. If a punishment was devised that was so barbaric that the relevant crime stopped overnight, then would that barbaric punishment actually be considered socially acceptable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs H Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Punishment that may seem barbaric to us is only barbaric when its actually carried out. If a punishment was devised that was so barbaric that the relevant crime stopped overnight, then would that barbaric punishment actually be considered socially acceptable ? Yes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Punishment that may seem barbaric to us is only barbaric when its actually carried out. If a punishment was devised that was so barbaric that the relevant crime stopped overnight, then would that barbaric punishment actually be considered socially acceptable ? No..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 No..!! If the threat of it's horrific outcome was enough to prevent the outcome ever occurring, why not ? :)Or are you just disagreeing with your wife for the short term pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Why not ? I don't know, I was just disagreeing with my wife..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Regarding the punishment of schizophrenics: Some people with schizophrenia, like this guy, have to be locked in a secure unit in order to stop them from killing anyone else. However, I can't see the logic in wanting to punish them, as some seem to be suggesting. A dangerous dog might be put to sleep because it bit someone, but that isn't done out of a sense of justice - that the dog has to somehow pay for its crime. The dog has no capability of judging a moral act from an immoral one. Someone with Type I schizophrenia, like this guy, has so much activity in the dopaminergic systems that he doesn't necessarily know if it's Christmas or Easter. The 'split' implied in the word 'schizophrenia' refers to a break with reality. For example, I remember a news story some years back about a schizophrenic with 'Capgras Syndrome'. That's a delusion where you believe the people around you are imposters. He had murdered his Mum and stepdad, put them in the back of his car and calmly delivered them to the police station, telling the cops that it was OK as he had got rid of the evil imposters that had kidnapped his 'real' parents. When thinking is that distorted, punishment of the individual makes about as much sense as making a dog pay for its crime (which we used to do in the middle ages, of course) or punishing a normal person for their actions in a nightmare. Of course, schizophrenia can be faked or misdiagnosed, but that's another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexsum Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 seriously cuts down the re-offending rate though doesnt it? UK stats show 94% of lifers don't re-offend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I'm in two minds about the whole Schizophrenia thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I'm in two minds about the whole Schizophrenia thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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