Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Remember the surreal story of that chap who killed and beheaded a fellow passenger on a bus / coach in Canada? Well the verdict from his trial is in: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gMMWxZLdpJd5MNcJI_Ls6hUheKYw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 His mental health is to be evaluated within 90 days, the judge ordered. Thereafter, he may be released or confined to a secure psychiatric hospital for treatment. The guy needs to be in secure psychiatric care for the rest of his life. He's not suddenly going to be cured of that, he's a constant risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Shane_ Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 "Unfortunately, he appears to have left the treatment facility without permission," the judge said Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 It's ok, he was 'offered' treatment.. no worries then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 The guy needs to be in secure psychiatric care for the rest of his life. He's not suddenly going to be cured of that, he's a constant risk. I agree, i'm hoping that the "might be released" is just somthing that comes as part of process and it will never happen. How much of it was the illness and how much was purly sadistic? I always thought that people who got off a "murder" charge based on a mental illness would automatically get bundled off to secure psych hospital, not assessed with the possibility of being release?! I mean you have to be pretty bonkers to do what he did. It wasn't just muder, it was something out of a Friday the 13th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Crazy, I dont care how sick he is, I cant imagine how the victims family are feeling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Crazy, I dont care how sick he is, I cant imagine how the victims family are feeling now. They must be mortified with the verdict. I'm the first person to have sympathy with illnesses, but i'm really struggling with this one based on the pure brutality and duration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Well makes no difference really does it, the guy will be in a secure hospital for the rest of his life rather than a prison. It he was crazy at the time how can we say he intended to kill the guy, or it was pre-meditated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 OMG, good job he did that before McLean released his demonic powers upon the world!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I have never quite understood the diminished responsibility stuff. To knife somebody to death you must be a little bonkers to start with, obviously that guy is fruit loop but as in the UK, he could be out within a year if they feel the medication has fixed his problem and he presents no danger to the public while on his medication. Obviously as happens in the UK, he stops taking his meds, disappears and then kills again. Both my parents worked in a mental hospital and we lived in hospital accomodation in the grounds so I saw various levels of nutters. You just never quite know what they will do next, so I give the loonies in London quite a wide berth. A funny example, my dad was out walking the dog when a patient came up to him and said 'see that table leg over there? The police want that table leg', my dad knowing to play along suggested that he tell the police where it is, to which the patient replied 'I cant do that, then they will KNOW I hit somebody with it'. And there in lies the problem, loonies are even more random than some of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 It reminds me of Issei Sagawa a little, killed and ate a women, had sex with the corpse, dumped it in a park, 15 months later he was allowed to check himself out of the nut house and became a food critic (amongst other things) http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?cid=107&nid=17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooColdToDrive Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Some stories say he was taking bits of flesh and putting them into zip-lock bags... I don't think any amount of medication can fix that. On an interesting side note - my girlfriend's grandma was supposed to be on that bus, until her granps got sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 It reminds me of Issei Sagawa a little, killed and ate a women, had sex with the corpse, dumped it in a park, 15 months later he was allowed to check himself out of the nut house and became a food critic (amongst other things) http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?cid=107&nid=17 i've seen the documentary of this guy - he's made millions from book deals etc etc.... i'm all for capital punishment - take a life and your life is taken, end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 On an interesting side note - my girlfriend's grandma was supposed to be on that bus, until her granps got sick. Bloody hell! You can take that you grandpa getting ill one of two ways now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 So!! Keeping this guy alive in any shape or form benefits who exactly?? All this mental illness stuff sounds like a bit of a cop out to me. If you do something bad, stick your underpants on your head and two pencils up your nose and claim that you are bonkers. Problem solved eh?? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 So!! Keeping this guy alive in any shape or form benefits who exactly?? All this mental illness stuff sounds like a bit of a cop out to me. If you do something bad, stick your underpants on your head and two pencils up your nose and claim that you are bonkers. Problem solved eh?? H. I think that's very narrow minded in some sense, i've had dealings with people with mental illnesses and it can be horrendous for them to live with. Genuine cases where someone has done something off the back of a condition that can't be helped needs a different approach than that dished out to people who conciously do wrong. IMO (and the laws ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think that's very narrow minded in some sense, i've had dealings with people with mental illnesses and it can be horrendous for them to live with. Genuine cases where someone has done something off the back of a condition that can't be helped needs a different approach than that dished out to people who conciously do wrong. IMO (and the laws ) Do you know someone who's had their son decapitated and potentially no one punished for it?? I have very little sympathy for the accused in this case, he's nuttier than a lion bar and should be got rid of..... I have got children and if they were victims of a nutter then I'd be looking to get even myself. I don't care if they lick windows or w@nk over their own faeces, as long as they don't hurt other people then fine. It's when they do, something needs to be done. I wonder how may so called "nutters" are fully aware of what they have done, I would imagine quite a few..!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAT Inter Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Shoot him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Shoot him. Who, me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexsum Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Shoot them all - they might do it next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 i'm all for capital punishment - take a life and your life is taken, end of. An eye for an eye and everbody's blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 An eye for an eye and everbody's blind. You would like to think that if there were consequences worth worrying bout, then people wouldn't do it in the first place...... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexsum Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 You would like to think that if there were consequences worth worrying bout, then people wouldn't do it in the first place...... H. true, but china's (and the USA) capital punishment figures say otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 true, but china's (and the USA) capital punishment figures say otherwise. Well, that's me fooked for an answer then?? Maybe these country's have such massive social problems that it doesn't make much difference to them. Maybe in the Uk it would?? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Do you know someone who's had their son decapitated and potentially no one punished for it??. I have very little sympathy for the accused in this case, he's nuttier than a lion bar and should be got rid of..... No and neither do you. This particular case if rather at the far end, infact it far suppases it. If you look at post 5&7 I've always said this, but what I'm tyring to get accross that simply locking them up in a cell isn't going to solve anything. They need to be locked up within a pysch unit. At the end of the day, if this chap went down for murder, he'd be out eventually, Life doesn't mean life anymore. If he gets put in a secure psych unit, then he can be monitored and release possibly in the distant future if deemed fit, or never released if he's a danger to the public (my most likely guess) I have got children and if they were victims of a nutter then I'd be looking to get even myself. I don't care if they lick windows or w@nk over their own faeces, as long as they don't hurt other people then fine. It's when they do, something needs to be done. Yes and so probably would I, but that's why victims arn't allowed on the jury's bench!! Of course something needs to be done, but the appropriate thing. I wonder how may so called "nutters" are fully aware of what they have done, I would imagine quite a few..!! H. Well they wouldn't be nutters and the hand of the law should be thrown hard at them. You would like to think that if there were consequences worth worrying bout, then people wouldn't do it in the first place...... H. The problem is less the consequence but more the person. People that are most likely to commit crimes are people from the back grounds that we would be disgusted to live in. A 10 year stint in jail, meals provided, might seem like heaven to some. Not to the normal person tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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