Scott Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 When i first got NTL i was on their top service, every time a new speed came out those on the top package have had the upgrade. look back at past threads on here to see that. Yup me too, but its not the XL package thats being upgraded to 50Mb. Its a completely new XXL package thats being created. How much are you paying for 20mb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Yup me too, but its not the XL package thats being upgraded to 50Mb. Its a completely new XXL package thats being created. How much are you paying for 20mb? Im with you now my simple cog like brain didn't compute to start with, its not in my area for the moment anyway according to their site. £50 a month for this 50 mb service ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibbleyuk Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Im disgusted with what we pay anyway there is no way i will be upgrading i think come the end of the year i will be calling and getting a free upgrade otherwise i will leave and go else where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Im disgusted with what we pay anyway there is no way i will be upgrading i think come the end of the year i will be calling and getting a free upgrade otherwise i will leave and go else where I was thinking the same, i imagine others are too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How much are you paying for 20mb? £36/month here. Expensive but very nice to have when you want to download a DVD or somesuch. I get a steady 2.4 megabytes per second when downloading from Easynews. £50 a month for this 50 mb service Nice to have but hard to justify that much per month. 20MB is as fast as anyone needs, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 £36/month here. Expensive but very nice to have when you want to download a DVD or somesuch. I get a steady 2.4 megabytes per second when downloading from Easynews. Yeah thats what i thought. I remember it being £35 when i was with them. Is that inclusive of your phone? I did a little test with the new prices and it seems that you can get 50mb broadband, medium phone and medium tv for £35. its £50 to take the broadband on its own but if you take it along with a phone the website is charging £35. As Daryl said you would think that would mean £46 (£11 phone charge added) but the £35 seems to include the phone line. As we all know the medium tv package comes free with the phone line so all 3 are available for £35 per month..... unless there is an error with the site. Nice to have but hard to justify that much per month. 20MB is as fast as anyone needs, IMO Can't say what i want in open forum but your right. The only reason i can see 50mb being of use is for the likes of bluray & large games... when they become mainstream. I've acquired a few "backups" at around 2MB/s and even the blu-ray quality ones only take an hour or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-_-b Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 One day maybe ill have faster than 512kb/s -_- and i only live about a mile from the center of the town here. (could understand if i was in the middle of the countryside.) When i lived in Sweden, in the town they had 100mb connections, and that was a small town. Really puts the UK to shame.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 I will explain one more time The current service is £36 month if you have the virgin phone service (£11). This is what I pay now for the XL package (total £47 per month). The 50MB service is £35 per month if you have the virgin phone service (£11). This is £1 cheaper than the current 20MB service. There is only a price difference if you want broadband only. In the past broadband only was not an option, so the new item they have introduced is the option for broadband only. In the past they have moved all tiers up one level when a new top speed is released, they are doing away with the lowest band so the new ones will be 10mb, 20mb and 50mb. This info is on the Virgin website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 That's just plain silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 That's just plain silly. The pricing policy or the speed? The pricing policy is a bit mad, guess they are just trying to get people to buy into the rest of their services... it does kind of make sense from a business point of view. I use usenet and torrents from time to time so an uber quick connect is handy if you don't want to wait. Especially for people like Jake and myself who will end up paying less for a quicker service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 All of it. I refuse to believe home users need more than 4Mbps on 1:1 contention. I only just realised mine was 10Mb a few months ago. I mean, do I really need to download a CD in a couple of minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 1:1 contention would be nice sometimes, thats for sure. I download games (Steam) and occasionally a movie or two, it's just nice to be able to select what you want and be able to get it in an hour instead of having to wait until the next day to play it or watch it. I use about 80GB bandwidth per month at the moment between home use and work VPN (which is considerable), so having a very fast connection saves a lot of frustration and my time in the long run. If you're just using a conenction to browse the net or download music, browse youtube, etc then 4mb is more than enough especially on low contention, but if you're a heavy user it's not enough these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 If you're just using a connection to browse the net or download music then 4mb is more than enough especially on low contention, but if you're a heavy user it's not enough these days. Granted it's nice to have your STEAM game download faster, but hardly essential. You can't say VPN is heavy use? If you're dragging files across then you ought to be using WoL and RDP. I used to be the biggest downloader ever, but I still was quite happy on 2Mb at the time. I only say 4Mb is suitable now for VoD. Our nations core links aren't capable of sustaining this level on bandwidth on a wide scale - why do think they're clamping down on P2P so much? Not because it's illegal, ISPs don't give a crap about legality - they only care about the data transfer costs. Even if we're given these ridiculous speeds we'll just wind up with firmer Fair Usage Policies. I'm feeling opinionated and cantankerous, can you tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Actually Pete, I fully agree with you (well apart from the bit about having a paid for item available in 1 hour instead of 10, consumers hate that, especially those that are the type who buy these items) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I've always preferred to buy media anyway. I've never got into the whole mentality of buying digital content. I want something physical for my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 I've always preferred to buy media anyway. I've never got into the whole mentality of buying digital content. I want something physical for my money. Me too, until realising that the whole trip the shops, paying for parking, loss of my time etc, counted for more time and money that it takes to download the game/movie on a fast connection. Provided the media is backed up there's no difference to having a physical copy. I'm a sell out to the digital generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Me too, until realising that the whole trip the shops, paying for parking, loss of my time etc, counted for more time and money that it takes to download the game/movie on a fast connection. Provided the media is backed up there's no difference to having a physical copy. I'm a sell out to the digital generation http://www.play.com / amazon. No show wear, no petrol, save money and utilise that lovely bandwidth. I'm clearly the more patient of the two of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I'm with Pete on every point. It'll only get worse as well. How long until 50mb is considered slow? I'd rather they invested money into reducing the time it takes to 'find' a site rather than make it download instantly even quicker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 I'm with Pete on every point. It'll only get worse as well. How long until 50mb is considered slow? I'd rather they invested money into reducing the time it takes to 'find' a site rather than make it download instantly even quicker! That'll be the next step, cable has it's limitations in it's current infrastructure (100MB) until they do fibre to the door which is a very long way off. Content, IP and bandwidth limitations will be next after the speed war is won by the cable companies. Browse times are a much more complex subject as it relies primarily on the ISP servers, which are massively expensive if they need to scale up from where they are now. There is only so much that can be done as it relies on the destination host to have a suitable response time, speed of light and infrastructure dependant of course. Judging from many of my customers plans almost unlimited bandwidth is the long term goal, but it'll be chargeable above pre set limits. I.e if you want to use a lot of it, you pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Just did a check on the site. 50mb is available at here, now lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 If any Virgin Media customers want to test their max single IP download rate you can do it here (internal to the ISP so is a real world max for a direct download): http://82.15.207.2/speedtest/SpeedCheck.php My 20mb connection can only get 10.7mb, which is half what I'm paying for. There is enough bandwidth there to test to 100Mb per connection so its a real world test. Whats everyone else getting? /moan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Just realised. It's marketing propaganda. They want to crush PSTN and it's inferior technology limitations. Of course once they're on cable, it's unlikely they'll move away. The cost to upgrade their infrastructure is probably negligible to the number of subscribers they hope to gain. I get the same speeds as you on my 10mb connection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaGSi Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Im on the 20mb and these were the reults from the test: File size transferred : 10.0 MB (10485760 bytes) Total time taken : 4.7 seconds (4703 milliseconds) Throughput : 2229.0 KB/sec [Kilobyte-per-second] = 2.23 MB/sec [Megabyte-per-second] = 17832.0 Kbps [Kilobit-per-second] = 17.83 Mbps [Megabit-per-second] This mean out of the 20mb i pay for im getting 17.83? I only really use my net connection for online gaming and downloading on the PS store. Dont really think I need 50mb, my laptop probably couldnt process what the Firefox/IE wanted to quick enough to load a webpage quicker anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 17Mbps out of 20 is pretty good. You got to remember the TCPIP protocol does takes a fair bit of traffic as well as the data you're putting through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glosphil Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 File size transferred : 10.0 MB (10485760 bytes) Total time taken : 4.45 seconds (4453 milliseconds) Throughput : 2354.0 KB/sec [Kilobyte-per-second] = 2.35 MB/sec [Megabyte-per-second] = 18832.0 Kbps [Kilobit-per-second] = 18.83 Mbps [Megabit-per-second] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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