RedM Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I despair too. Not because of the kids. That's just ignorance and stupidity on their part. I despair of the people old enough to know better who still cling to their archaic views and ideals of people and country that exist only in the mind of the Daily Mail and its readership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 well atleast we know that our hard earned money will pay for their weekly benefits and that they'll have their own council house to build lego in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 probably all just a scam to get money from the Sun? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soo Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I despair too. Not because of the kids. That's just ignorance and stupidity on their part. I despair of the people old enough to know better who still cling to their archaic views and ideals of people and country that exist only in the mind of the Daily Mail and its readership. Agree with the first part mate but the archaic views you mention used to be called standards !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I hope the lads had a DNA test. He looks like my 6 year old and I would imagine that if his voice hasn't broken the he'll still be spurting "tatty water"..!! As far as the baby is concerned then it's a tragic state of affairs but it is one of many that we as a country have to deal with. It's a dobbers convention at the moment, get your free money and knock out as many kids as possible...... It's upsetting that some "benefit" families actually take home as much as I earn after tax......and I have a good job..FFS H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 And I thought it was silly of them to ask if "Are any of your kids over the age of 11 pregnant" when you sign on... Guess not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
med Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 only in Britain eh.... shame that really, feel sorry for the kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 to be fair, This happens in some Asian, African continents too so its not just Blighty. Not that it makes this acceptable. The youngest mother on record was a five year old Peruvian girl. She delivered a baby boy by Cesarean section on 14 May 1939 Britain's youngest mother was 11. sick world isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 ..I despair of the people old enough to know better who still cling to their archaic views and ideals of people and country .. I would say you are way off mark here. There is a minimum standard and it is not alright to keep rewriting the rules to accomodate the reckless and feckless in society. What happened to having morals, ethics, responsibility, respect and honesty. Some people call them 'values'. You cannot always adjust to suit the lowest level because human nature means that no matter how low you set the bar, some people always undershoot and you have to keep lowering it again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 wow at 13 i'd only just found it. didn't know what to do with it mind, i just knew it had to be somewhere warm n wet, but that could have been a bowl of soup for all i knew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 wow at 13 i'd only just found it. didn't know what to do with it mind, i just knew it had to be somewhere warm n wet, but that could have been a bowl of soup for all i knew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I would say you are way off mark here. There is a minimum standard and it is not alright to keep rewriting the rules to accomodate the reckless and feckless in society. What happened to having morals, ethics, responsibility, respect and honesty. Some people call them 'values'. You cannot always adjust to suit the lowest level because human nature means that no matter how low you set the bar, some people always undershoot and you have to keep lowering it again and again. You (and a couple of others) have completely misunderstood what I was getting. I'd explain it fully but I don't really want to upset the members it was aimed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2o2 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 You (and a couple of others) have completely misunderstood what I was getting. I'd explain it fully but I don't really want to upset the members it was aimed at. Tis unlike you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 You (and a couple of others) have completely misunderstood what I was getting. I'd explain it fully but I don't really want to upset the members it was aimed at. I was wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 And so they start queueing up to claim fatherhood of the child... Popular girl it seems? Alfie Paternity story here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4630866/Schoolboy-father-Alfie-Patten-may-take-DNA-test-after-two-more-teens-claim-paternity.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Shane_ Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/177665/Richard-Goodsell-Im-the-real-daddy-Alfie-and-I-want-a-DNA-test-to-prove-it.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2o2 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 shocker ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/177665/Richard-Goodsell-Im-the-real-daddy-Alfie-and-I-want-a-DNA-test-to-prove-it.html That's some serious band-wagoning there. 3 guys think it's theirs?? Or 2 kids parents want to get into the redtops. I would say I'll wait with baited breath to see who the real "father" is but... I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodifiedkid Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Christ if that story is true she sound like a right dirty little slaper and only 15. Her parents must be so proud Listen to me I sound like a right old fart!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 A few points. The kid will be well looked after with the wealth of experience in the wider family. Better to give them every benefit than let them beg or worse. Michael may be the goon and not the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 A few points. The kid will be well looked after with the wealth of experience in the wider family. Better to give them every benefit than let them beg or worse. Michael may be the goon and not the kid. Do you know this family then Carl?? In my experience, the "wider family" want to cuddle the baby until it fills it's nappy and then they go down the pub and hope that the problem fixes itself.... Parenting standards are plumetting, it's far easier to ignore or beat a child than actually try to influence the childs standards of decency. Some would argue that the parent probably doesn't have any standards anyway and therefore the child will obviously become a product of it's environment...!! How you can say that the wider family will have any involvment is quite frankly beyond me. I think you are naively hoping that "someone" will take ultimate responsibility for this situation but time and time again, people don't. That is why this country is a sh!t hole, because many people are lazy, irresponsible and problems are for someone else to fix..... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I was going to say that, but couldn't be bothered and was waiting for someone else to do it.. Seriously though, what is this kids going to learn about responsibility and standards? Sweet FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 No i dont know the family personally, do you? Standards in parenting i feel are not going down it is an illusion that the daily mail crew have about this and other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I just can't be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 A few points. The kid will be well looked after with the wealth of experience in the wider family. Better to give them every benefit than let them beg or worse. Michael may be the goon and not the kid. The so called wider family will have no doubt contributed to the girls's attitude, education and morals that led her to get pregnant by a 13 year old in the first place. To suggest the wider family will lavish this new born child with all the care it needs is pure lunacy. On this general subject...... Social Services will do everything they can to keep the child with its natural parents....that will include a full assessment of the wider family. That is what they are forced to do, it may not be what they want to do, it may not be what they believe is right but they are forced to do that by the courts unless they can prove the child is in some form of dangerous/neglectful environment. The social worker invloved will be forced to work with other organisations such as the NHS, occupational health, education etc etc to do everything they can to give the parents all the oppurtunity they need to demonstrate they can act as "adequate" parents. The social worker may believe from the outset that this is a terrible situation but they will ultimately be subject to cross examination from the parent's (legal aid funded) barrister in court if they try to implement some sort of removal/adoption/fostering strategy. There are some exceptions like emergency removals (potentially only short term) but they will eventually come under the same legal scrutiny anyway. Sh!t system if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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