Carl_S Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Every life is precious. Every life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Every life is precious. Every life. Disagree, how about the animals that raped a young girl with learning difficulties and then through acid on her. In your eyes these people should be allowed to live? I would feed them to wild animals for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I don't feel it is appropriate to discuss or involve the case of that poor young girl here for a few reasons. I hope she gets the help and support she needs and that her attackers are punished under the full force of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 ??? link was there for a reason interesting post from another forum "Just imagine if the situation was reversed, ie a Palestinian army layed siege to Israel for years, blocking all food, aid and equipment from entering Israel, airstrikes every other day, destroying their infrastructure, then deciding to go on all out massacre of for 22 days. Bombing so called UN safe havens, schools and synagogues, telling jews to gather in a particular safe house so that they'l be safe there...then shell it to bits! and spray chemical weapons everyone in densely populated areas, all without letting any journalists see what theyr'e doing. What would the BBC say after that ? would they air an AID appeal for Israeli civilians ?" Palestine is Germany in a new past. ; i think you meant israel is the new nazi germany. War is hell right? That's why cilvilians die alongside military targets. Nazis and Hamas there are paralells. No mention of the Israelis again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Interesting point Imi. Comparing the Israeli's to Nazi's. But I do not think it is a comparison of like to like. One is an ideology (Nazi) and the other is a diverse people (Israeli). Jews, Israelis, and Zionists. What is your definition of each? Mine is: Jew - Someone who has a jewish heritage or follows Judaism as their religion. Israeli - A Jew who lives in Israel. Zionist - Someone who wants Zion. Every life is sacred: an Israeli life has the same value as a Palestinian life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Some people may do, some may not, however, answering his question with a question is not giving a proper answer... Some people answer questions, with questions And some people question every answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Lol LBM. Indeed. Let me ask you something Pot. If you say "What is four times four?" I might say, "What is seventeen minus one?" Is that so bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Some people answer questions, with questions What like a double negative? Fact remains, that same person doesnt give a straightforward answer to anything it seems, so eventually people will find it all about weary. If not already. If you say "What is four times four?" I might say, "What is seventeen minus one?" Is that so bad? Depends. If you want to make life difficult for the sake of it, then hey go forth and conquer. Are you perhaps the type of person that commutes home through the road full of traffic, as opposed to the one which is clear of any obstacles? But hey, if congestion is your thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 True Pot, but I am naturally evasive with certain questions. I'm not obliged to answer them am I? Just don't post. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 i watched this documentry - have to say i was in shock and could not sleep after seeing the video of the baby girl. war is a messy business, the media in our country makes it all look "clean" and tightly controlled when the coverage was being shown during the genocide - yes, it is a genocide not a war. i've never been to a protest in my adult life, i always thought "someone else" will do it... but i went to the very first protest the STWC organised in london in january and have since been on every protest (apart from the one last saturday outside the beeb) - the ordinary men, women and children on the ground in gaza have had no choice to become refugees, with both israel and egypt blocking borders and i felt it was a duty on a human level to march for their freedom. what israel has done/is doing in gaza is nothing short of what the nazi's done to the jews in the warsaw ghettos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 What like a double negative? I see what you did there? Or did I? Not a double negative really, more that...some people expect the answers to their questions to be black or white- an absolute if you will However, some questions do not have one definative answer/s- and can simply lead us to other quetions, which in themselves may give us a glimpse of understanding - or not, as the case may be. In short, Carl S is a Guru of life and divine knowledge and we must all give him money so he can buy his 30th gold Rolls-Royce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hello Penguin. Good to meet you in this wonderful virtual world! Firstly congratulations for going on the Stop The War Campaign demo. It is people like you, when they stand up are counted that really make a difference. Over history it is the doers and not really the armchair talkers that have been the catalyst for change. I salute you. The revulsion of seeing what you seen drove you, and others into action. When I heard about the omargh bombing I was also disgusted. I did not protest, but wrote a screenplay instead. It's important to do what you need to do to make your voice heard, and your feelings to be known. For everyone of you that actually demonstrates, you can be sure that many many more support you in spirit and would stand by you but find the whole demo thing 'not their kind of thing'. What the Nazi's did to the Jews was not all bad. There were good Nazi's. Think of Schindler's list. The holocaust was the most disgracefully offensive act of human depravity to be perpetrated by the sheer numbers in involved and the systematic and coldness with which it was carried out. But it is not the whole story. The Germans are a race of people not dissimilar to you and I, and they were bewitched into the lure of what Hitler was saying, but were also objecting to what he was saying and what he stood for. The same can be said for Israelis who have their own ideas about what is going on in Israel, and Jews in this country, who whilst they may be sympathetic to what is going on, do not necessarily approve of the Israeli goverment's stance. But I really do not think it is good to compare Israeli's to Nazi's. Unless you are looking at both as people's who have both good and bad in them, and who have the potential to be a boon for mankind. And let's face it, with Nazis, that is a difficult point to argue, becuause it is an ideology and not a people. Thank you for protesting, I certainly would not do it, and my heart is out there with you. I wonder if more violence should be shown in terms of wars, so that more people like you would protest. How do you feel on that point Penguin? Hello to Axle, and to the esteemed Andrew both of who's comments I acknowledge and am grateful for.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 But I really do not think it is good to compare Israeli's to Nazi's. Unless you are looking at both as people's who have both good and bad in them, and who have the potential to be a boon for mankind. An explanation of this would then be in order....please. Well Hitler was voted in by the Germans, therefore we saw all Germans as guilty and legitimate targets and bomber Harris was a war hero and not a war criminal. Dresden was not just talking out military targets either. Palestine is Germany in a new past. AND War is hell right? That's why cilvilians die alongside military targets. Nazis and Hamas there are paralells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Imi, I am sorry to have to disappoint you. If I said red was black, would you ask for an explanation? How about if I said Pink was Pink? Would you again ask for an explanation? Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 In short, Carl S is a Guru of life and divine knowledge and we must all give him money so he can buy his 30th gold Rolls-Royce. ! Hello to Axle How about if I said Pink was Pink? Would you again ask for an explanation? From you, most probably... However i dont think we are in danger of such simplicity from yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 link was there for a reason interesting post from another forum "Just imagine if the situation was reversed, ie a Palestinian army layed siege to Israel for years, blocking all food, aid and equipment from entering Israel, airstrikes every other day, destroying their infrastructure, then deciding to go on all out massacre of for 22 days. Bombing so called UN safe havens, schools and synagogues, telling jews to gather in a particular safe house so that they'l be safe there...then shell it to bits! and spray chemical weapons everyone in densely populated areas, all without letting any journalists see what theyr'e doing. What would the BBC say after that ? would they air an AID appeal for Israeli civilians ?" Probably not. Are the Israelis going door to door executing everyone or putting them in trucks and trains to be gassed into extinction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Good point Gazboy. The BBC is a fair organisation, and I admire them for not airing that appeal. Keg, Powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Imi, I am sorry to have to disappoint you. If I said red was black, would you ask for an explanation? How about if I said Pink was Pink? Would you again ask for an explanation? Sorry. Good point Gazboy. The BBC is a fair organisation, and I admire them for not airing that appeal. Keg, Powder. Disagree... Refer to my post here http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=2254452&postcount=29 Probably not. Are the Israelis going door to door executing everyone or putting them in trucks and trains to be gassed into extinction? Not exactly a 100% re-enactment - again, refer to my post here. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=2254452&postcount=29 Carl made a comparison between Nazis > Hamas and the Palestinians; I think that is a double standards and pure hypocrisy. Typical - one rule for some and another rule for the rest....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 As pointed out on another forum, Hamas kidnapped a BBC reporter and held him captive for 114 days and threatened to kill him, so are you suprised the BBC want nothing to do with this- aside from being impartial. Carl made a comparison between Nazis > Hamas and the Palestinians; I think that is a double standards and pure hypocrisy. Carl's a f**king idiot, I have no idea why you are discussing anything with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 aside from being impartial. Are they (BBC) though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Are they (BBC) though? Apart from Global Warming/New Labour PR bullshit, I'd say reasonably impartial, especially compared to most other media. They were fairly anti-Israel when they bombed Lebanon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Carl's a f**king idiot, I have no idea why you are discussing anything with him. As pointed out on another forum, Hamas kidnapped a BBC reporter and held him captive for 114 days and threatened to kill him, so are you suprised the BBC want nothing to do with this- aside from being impartial. . I don't see the connection. regardless of what Hamas did or did not do, do you agree that this is a humanitarian issue? If so, then shouldn't the BBC recognise it as such to the betterment of the innocent palestinian people. Sorry for sounding like a broken record, if the roles were reversed, I am sure that the BBC would have reacted differently. History has a way of repeating itself, innocent blood spilt rarely goes unpunished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Well IMO due to the BBC (and Sky news) declining to air the item the appeal has now got way more exposure than it originally would have, and if people want to see the item then they'll should seek it through other media outlets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Well IMO due to the BBC (and Sky news) declining to air the item the appeal has now got way more exposure than it originally would have, and if people want to see the item then they'll should seek it through other media outlets. Completely Agree and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Apart from Global Warming/New Labour PR bullshit, I'd say reasonably impartial, especially compared to most other media. They were fairly anti-Israel when they bombed Lebanon. But they shouldn't have been. The BBC has had a very strong editorial policy since the invasion of Iraq. Up until that point, I thought of the Beeb as being one of the finest broadcasters in the world. Then they lost all credibility in my eyes, as they made sure that EVERY broadcast it made about the Iraq invasion was biased with their own particular slant. They should report it as it is, not as how they see it and yet cry foul when any outside party takes interest. I appreciate that they are a state owned and publicly funded public broadcaster that manages to great effect to avoid undue influence from the Govt, but at the same time, there is still too much political leaning within the organisaton for them to be truely impartial. Sky News FTW11111!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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