natony Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 im really new to toyotas but ive been spending most of the last week or so trying to find info about getting more power out of a 3.0 NA and i haven't really had any luck i want to stay NA and get in a bit of track use but like i said i cant find any info or parts for that matter. any help would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 more speed from an NA on track Go as light as possible Improve the brakes Improve the geo and suspension forget the engine as the gains are very expensive for just a few BHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ive been spending most of the last week or so trying to find info about getting more power out of a 3.0 NA and i haven't really had any luck You need to spend a little more time acquainting yourself with the search facility as it's been discussed many many times before. Basically you'll never get any major gains from an NA. Best things to do are decat and an exhaust. Airbox is very efficient and a cone style filter will do nothing for you. Aside from Supercharging and single turbo conversions you'll not get too far. Those two options are quite expensive compared to a TT engine swap, even then you're only worth doing this if you've got a very good example NA as you may as well sell and trade up due to all the other extras you'll get on a TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 your not finding much info because there isnt much. Its widely accepted getting any more power out of the NA is more trouble/more expensive than its worth. A decat might get you a little. But i wouldnt bother with changing the air filter as the stock one is better than the after market ones. Best bang for buck is probably NOS but thats not so usefull on a track and you will struggle to get it insured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 NA power ?? = mutually exclusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 The only thing you can do to the engine for a reasonable price is get one of nics, import pimp on here, manifolds. Gives about 15 bhp. Though he needs 3 orders. But im sure some were on here for sale. Other than that as above really. Posted via Mobile Device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natony Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 i spent today stripping out all of the unnecessary weight out of the car and i already plan on going for the uk big brakes and tein coilovers. to be completely honest i have my eye on beating to fastest 1/4 mile na time on this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 you will probably need NOS then as that was set with NOS Drag radials might help aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 that'll be ray with NOS. Posted via Mobile Device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Good advice posted so far Unless you are talking about getting an extra 10bhp there is nothing you can do without getting into very, very high cost modifications. The NA -> TT conversion is by far the most cost effective way of increasing power. With BPU mods and a suitable clutch it'll allow 400bhp, something which even the NA turbo conversion will struggle to acheive for many times the cost. NA engine and power do not go hand in hand without a significant budget or some new steps being made. There are many reasons why people don't bother with them and hence why there are not many threads on NA mods. If power is not an aim then go for stripping the thing, getting some decent brakes and master cylinder, suspension fully setup, this is the sort of thing that gets discussed far more often and it doesn't matter whats under the bonnet when discussing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrikbrunt Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 NA Power.... isnt that an Oxymoron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natony Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 i used to spend quite a lot of time down at santa pod and i always thought nitrous was classed as a type of forced induction and definately not na ?? am i wrong because nitrous car usually come in a class by themselves ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 To add, on a twisty track I would imagine I would drive a light well set up NA as fast as my medium single, the drivers talent (or in my case lack of) is often the most limiting factor ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 NA Power.... isnt that an Oxymoron? It wasn't funny a few posts up. There are a lot of other NA engines out there that do generate plenty of power without the lag of turbos, it's not an unreasonable question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i used to spend quite a lot of time down at santa pod and i always thought nitrous was classed as a type of forced induction and definately not na ?? am i wrong because nitrous car usually come in a class by themselves ? Nitrous isn't forced induction, it creates a bigger explosion in the cylinder because the oxygen is much, much denser when the spark plug fires. The nitrous cools the charge air, doesn't force it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i used to spend quite a lot of time down at santa pod and i always thought nitrous was classed as a type of forced induction and definately not na ?? am i wrong because nitrous car usually come in a class by themselves ? Turbo and supercharged are forced induction, not NOS I think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It wasn't funny a few posts up. It wasn't meant to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 have you seen the drag racing times in supra chat? That will give you a guide of times as well as any mods such as NOS. Posted via Mobile Device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Just one thing to add. Listen to the advice given. If something has not been tried there will always be a reason for it. The people on here do know their stuff. Posted via Mobile Device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Even making the thing light wont make it faster than what you can get from a tt. BHP/Ton in a bpu tt is probably around 250bhp, which means that if the n/a is at 220bhp you would need to get it below 1000kg and good luck with that! Click my link at the bottom on swapping the engine with a tt if you fancy going down that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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