Lbm Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 thats another point, how do we know its 6 billion Err...you got me...I guessed. who has time to count to 6 billion and how long would it take. lol its a stupid figure It's a stupid figure?? How do you mean? there was atleast 3 million living in one street in an undesirable area when i was younger. Did you have the time to count all 3 million living in one street. Meh! That's a stupid figure. another government deception scheme. you mighty aswell ask me to go and count how many fish are in the sea. Would you please go and count all the fish in the sea? Take the necessary equipment. the point being, people move about, they dont stay still to be counted, and we only go by a tick in the box its bo@@ocks So do fish. Eh? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 At present my feeling is, no, they should not disclose their expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 At present, my feeling is nothing good will come of mid-day drinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderpigcity Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 At present my feeling is, no, they should not disclose their expenses. im sorry but i cant take anyone seriously who wears bananas on their head, remove the bananas and change the colour of you top and i might consider your figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderpigcity Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 At present, my feeling is nothing good will come of mid-day drinking. i dont drink, call me boring. vodka now and again maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 im sorry but i cant take anyone seriously who wears bananas on their head, remove the bananas and change the colour of you top and i might consider your figures. This time you've gone too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 I thought it was funny in one of the links provided that they mentioned someone spent £245 on a bed and mattress, why did they feel the need to even mention it? Aside from the fact it's such a modest amount, it's clearly a living expense if it's going into furnishing the extra house that's required for him to do his job. Whats so funny about them using our (tax payers) money rather than there own, all these MPs still get a wage so if there bed at home breaks why are we paying for it. Travel expenses etc which are related to work I have no issue with, if I am not allowed to claim expenses for personal gain due to rules they have put in place then why the hell should they get away with it. Its a complete abuse of power in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yes they bloody should. A financial auditor should then go through all expenses from March 2001 and anything that is a luxury or personal should be paid back immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Because you probably don't need an extra home to do your job properly an MP, or anyone for that matter, shouldn't be out of pocket or have to lower their standard of living just for just trying to do their job. Different companies have different rules for expenses and it applies to the government too. It's part of their pay structure. Some give you nothing at all and some are very generous. If it was down to the public what expenses do you think an MP would get? Next to nothing. I think we're talking about their pay structure now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Holy cow - Carl_S you're off the hook. We've got a bona fide nutter here now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I like the way the care-ometer is calibrated with pi. (no, I don't get out much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Public money, public expenses if you ask me. Could be the end of John Lewis though if their expenses get capped!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I wonder if extravagent ties are in John Snow's expenses (I know he's not an MP!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yes they should be made to declare all their expenses.But they voted against it.I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ...But they voted against it.I wonder why. That's the most outrageous part - that they get to vote on stuff that directly applies to them. "hmm, should we divulge this information? mmmm, No." "Hmm, should we all have big pay rises? mmmm, yes" WTF is with that? Voting on getting your own pay rise? I wonder whether the country was better off when it was run by the independently wealthy? People who didn't need to scam for expenses, career politicians, and lazy scoundrels who don't want a proper job but do want power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 That's the most outrageous part - that they get to vote on stuff that directly applies to them. "hmm, should we divulge this information? mmmm, No." "Hmm, should we all have big pay rises? mmmm, yes" WTF is with that? Voting on getting your own pay rise? Yep. In any other industry it would be a Conflict of Interest, and people who are independent from the result would be doing the voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7842402.stm Brown backs down in expenses row The government has shelved plans to hold a vote on controversial proposals to restrict the amount of information published about MP expenses. No 10 had insisted it would hold a vote on exempting expenses information from Freedom of Information laws and that Labour MPs would be forced to back it. But the government has now decided to abandon the vote after opposition parties said they would not support it. The High Court said last year receipts for MPs expenses should be published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 They'll just reintroduce the motion when all the financial fuss has died down a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 No, I do not feel that they should publish their expenses in full and explicit detail. What underlies this desire to see expenses is lack of faith in UK politicians, and a feeling of us and them. I believe that faith needs to be restored in UK politicians in a different way than going anal on expense accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I believe that faith needs to be restored in UK politicians in a different way than going anal on expense accounts. Carl, you raise a fair point. How would you like to see faith in politicians restored? Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 No, I do not feel that they should publish their expenses in full and explicit detail. What underlies this desire to see expenses is lack of faith in UK politicians, and a feeling of us and them. I believe that faith needs to be restored in UK politicians in a different way than going anal on expense accounts. And just how are we supposed to trust politicians if they want to hide the way they spend public funds? If we can't trust them to be responsible over trivial expenses, how can we trust them with life and death situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 And just how are we supposed to trust politicians if they want to hide the way they spend public funds? If we can't trust them to be responsible over trivial expenses, how can we trust them with life and death situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 No, I do not feel that they should publish their expenses in full and explicit detail. What underlies this desire to see expenses is lack of faith in UK politicians, and a feeling of us and them. I believe that faith needs to be restored in UK politicians in a different way than going anal on expense accounts.What better way to restore that faith than to be completely open about what they claiim from the public purse? Changing the law so that you are above it does NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 No, I do not feel that they should publish their expenses in full and explicit detail. What underlies this desire to see expenses is lack of faith in UK politicians, and a feeling of us and them. I believe that faith needs to be restored in UK politicians in a different way than going anal on expense accounts. They have to start the ball rolling by being honest and upfront, as opposed to being devious and changing the rules to meet their Own aims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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