Supranature Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 To add to the above ramblings by me,- if I was paying rent of, say £100 a week to a privare landlord, that would have been paid for me from day 1! wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 arrh, you're 22... so you don't remember the last Conservative government or the eighties? I'm sure everyone here a huge respect for your ill informed ramblings. Please crack on with your tin pot Politics speech Well EXCUSE me... Please enlighten me then... I just think that maybe the Conservatives can get this country out of this mess and it seems to be that the public are swaying towards a Conservative goverment... So are you not pi55ed off with the way this Country is run?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Well EXCUSE me... Please enlighten me then... I just think that maybe the Conservatives can get this country out of this mess and it seems to be that the public are swaying towards a Conservative goverment... So are you not pi55ed off with the way this Country is run?? No matter which political party comes in, I seriously doubt that there is much that they can do. They may have different policies and different ideas on things, but there is so much red tape that the changes that are actually required, would never happen. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 No matter which political party comes in, I seriously doubt that there is much that they can do. They may have different policies and different ideas on things, but there is so much red tape that the changes that are actually required, would never happen. IMO. Ahh...what do I know, im just speculating really... Although this Country has been 'given' cuts at the moment, the Labour party will again increase tax and things by upping road tax, fuel duty and all the other 120 + stealth taxes that they have introduced... Conservatives say that they will geneally try to cut tax right down so that the public and the Country can recover... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Please enlighten me then...For example (playing devil's advocate), it was the Conservatives who decided that we didn't need to actually manufacture things, because we could reply on the service industry, including financial services, and that deregulating said financial services was a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Ahh...what do I know, im just speculating really... Although this Country has been 'given' cuts at the moment, the Labour party will again increase tax and things by upping road tax, fuel duty and all the other 120 + stealth taxes that they have introduced... Conservatives say that they will geneally try to cut tax right down so that the public and the Country can recover... The problem is that no one is willing to take the risk on fixing the actual causes to the lack of money for the government. Its basically political suicide... purely because they will annoy one group of people no matter what. The whole thing really needs a "shake-up" and some harsh decisions need to be made. Like stopping paying out all this cash to lazy gits on benefits and restructure it so that the people who really need the money get the money. The list goes on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yeah I agree... I was very young when the Conservatives were in and I don't know what they are like...just at the moment, they seem to be the better option because honestly Labour is crap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazB Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Didn't the conservatives sell all state owned business off, spend the money and leave the country with less assets or ways of being able to employ people who then pay taxes to fund givaways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Didn't the conservatives sell all state owned business off, spend the money and leave the country with less assets or ways of being able to employ people who then pay taxes to fund givaways It's all in here, somewhere, probably. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/search.php?searchid=5671386 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazB Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's all in here, somewhere, probably. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/search.php?searchid=5671386 Where? or is that the point Up in smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It's down now - but it will be back up... ...and then down... ....and in 30 years your kids will be saying - That bloody party can't get anything right - the liberal socialist monster raving green independant party candidate should be in power!! Sorry you lost your job - it's a ba$tard when that happens - but keep the faith, it is not of your doing...you WILL bounce back from this in better shape, believe me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I believe that it is an honour to work in this country. And even more of an honour to do a job that you enjoy. I love this country, and thank Thorin that Gordon Brown is in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I believe that it is an honour to work in this country. And even more of an honour to do a job that you enjoy. I love this country, and thank Thorin that Gordon Brown is in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 Not really sure how to express the noise i just made but it was something like.. Pfffffoooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I believe that it is an honour to work in this country. And even more of an honour to do a job that you enjoy. I love this country, and thank Thorin that Gordon Brown is in charge. Toke, toke, toke, toke and breathe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I believe that it is an honour to work in this country. And even more of an honour to do a job that you enjoy. I love this country, and thank Thorin that Gordon Brown is in charge. ahahahahahaha Oh...you're being...serious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 A quick dip into economic history of the post-war years will show that things have never been so good in recent times. I think there are a lot of young people on this board who know nothing else but the past 10 years, and think it's the norm. It would do a lot of good if, before slagging the government, 'this country', immigrants etc etc etc they looked back and studied a bit of history. Maybe then they will realise how fortunate they actually are to be living with so much wealth and in so much security. Until then, they won't know anything about the 3 million unemployed, the Miners Strike (any strike for that matter!), the 3 day week, the IRA, 18% interest rates, the Cold War, Gordon Lamont and Black Monday, skinheads & football hooligans etc. Also it may come as a shock that for a 20 something now to realise that to have a car anything like a Supra was absolutely unheard of, it still strikes me as unusual to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I must admit I told the misses/ex to get what she can. She's worked all her life bloody hard and paid a lot out. Now she's been laid off (on the 30th of December) and there's no work to be had for her (electrial engineer in the building trade... not good). She lives alone now I've moved out and she's working hard to get back into work so fair play, she should claim all she can. As for the people who have no intention of working... b*llocks to them. Give them not one penny. If they want benefits... work for it! My street is a right mess, they can start cleaning the streets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Well said Hog. Steve, I think the benefits system is great, and should continue to pay for those who do not wish to work providing they have a reasonable justification to not want to. However, I do support the government in its continued drive to get the long term unemployed back into work, and the focus on work that can be done by that person; so long this is done with sensitivity, positivity, and common sense. P.S. Sorry to hear about your ex being laid off, she sounds like a hard working and intelligent person, and I hope she finds herself back in a job in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Without pissing on your fire too much, Brown has been rather unlucky to be in power when all this kicked off. The credit crunch is certainly not a direct result of his policies, that's plainly obvious if you know anything about the history of economic politics over the past decade. The same guy that was Chancellor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 A quick dip into economic history of the post-war years will show that things have never been so good in recent times. I think there are a lot of young people on this board who know nothing else but the past 10 years, and think it's the norm. It would do a lot of good if, before slagging the government, 'this country', immigrants etc etc etc they looked back and studied a bit of history. Maybe then they will realise how fortunate they actually are to be living with so much wealth and in so much security. Until then, they won't know anything about the 3 million unemployed, the Miners Strike (any strike for that matter!), the 3 day week, the IRA, 18% interest rates, the Cold War, Gordon Lamont and Black Monday, skinheads & football hooligans etc. Also it may come as a shock that for a 20 something now to realise that to have a car anything like a Supra was absolutely unheard of, it still strikes me as unusual to this day. I totally agree with that statement. I also, thank 'Thorin', that I was just a teenager through those nasty times in the late 70's and early 80's when a lot of that was going on, and not an adult trying to making a living, because there was a lot of potentially scary stuff going on, at the time. We do have it very easy nowadays, and it's easy to take so much for granted IMO. It's just as easy to have it taken away again. Nothing is written in stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Being in Engineering/Manufacturing I've been hit with this type of situation and redundancies for the last 15-20yrs. Early 40's and have been made redundant 3 times, it hardens you up and makes you realise that the chance of it happening again is just round the corner and as such I've always got a decent reserve of cash to see me through and little or no credit. People that are getting hit for the first time need to change their habits with regards to credit and savings as this will happen over again. The amount of help available to the average person is comical, winds me up no end but never gets better. My advice is to expect bugger all and set up you own savings for when (not if) it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I think the benefits system is great, and should continue to pay for those who do not wish to work providing they have a reasonable justification to not want to. So if I said that I didn't want to work because of whatever reason, then I should be given benefits? I wonder what would happen if everybody decided that working was a waste fo time and they could live a much easier life on benefits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Gordon Lamont Good post, and of course his less famous brother Norman. I know you mixed up your chancellors by accident. Norman Brown & Gordon Lamont Steve, I think the benefits system is great, and should continue to pay for those who do not wish to work providing they have a reasonable justification to not want to. However, I do support the government in its continued drive to get the long term unemployed back into work, and the focus on work that can be done by that person; so long this is done with sensitivity, positivity, and common sense. So if I said that I didn't want to work because of whatever reason, then I should be given benefits? I wonder what would happen if everybody decided that working was a waste fo time and they could live a much easier life on benefits... I think he answered your question here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I think Gerald's post pretty much sums it up. We adjust very quickly to a certain standard of living and an expectation of security and economic prosperity. The staggering affluence of the last twenty years, by historical standards, quickly becomes the norm. For the twenty-somethings, it's a bit of a nasty surprise, followed by the usual desperate search for a scapegoat. Politicians are the obvious target, and to some extent that's reasonable. However, it's worth pointing out that in a globalised economy, they are stuck in the unpleasant position of being expected to look like they are doing something constructive while having less and less influence over events. In terms of targeting social groups to vent some spleen on in times of hardship, I see we have now moved on from the traditional ones: Papists, Jews and immigrants to those on benefits. I guess that's progress of sorts. It's still as illogical as ever, though, given that the drain on resources caused by 'benefit cheats' or those milking the system must be absolutely miniscule compared to the sums involved in the current fiscal crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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