Matt H Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 There is some truth in that, however the world cannot work this way or all economies would go to pot. It would be brilliant if this didn't have an effect on anything but unfortunately it does and so we are left with this situation Whats the difference between people coming over here and earning a bit then sending it home, to the vast majority of Brits going abroad each and every year to foreign countries and spending loads of money over there on our lavish holidays. The amount of money Brits much give to other countries must be exponential compared to the amount sent home by foreigners. In addition, lots of companies import goods instead of buying home grown local stuff anyway. I don't the money going abroad to help familes scratches any real surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Did you type that in a hurry, per chance? Yes I typed It up in between upgrading a sevrer car you tell haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Double post sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't understand people that are upset that people from other countries come over (legally) to our country (which is a damn site better than the ones they have come from) earn money (legally - working 24 hours a day doing a rubbish job) and send it back to help there families who are in desperate need of it. Wouldn't you strive to do the same? Probably sending back less than the average brit spends/wastes on holiday! Double post sorry. Of course we can tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Probably sending back less than the average brit spends/wastes on holiday! Indeed, post 26! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with you scotster, Another thing doing this country harm is all these foreigners that are working they send there money back home leaving less money to float about in england. I know of a few polish guys and all of them work to send the money back to there country. Imagine how many others are doing that not just polish too. They have to rent a flat/house, they have to eat, they have to pay taxes from what they earn. Whatever they are doing with rest of the money (they legally earned and was working to get) is none of anyones bussiness. Besides - you cannot blame foreigners for EVERYTHING, try starting from your sad parody of the government, whos splashing tons of money on nothing, try all those pen pushers with stupid ideas, where milions are wasted on failed projects, try those who wish to get thousands for doing literally nothing. You need to EARN your money, fact that you finished university doesn't mean that you are on at least 40k/year no matter what. Take into consideration current education level in UK and kids "stressed" by simple exams and you will have a full picture. You will either start working together to raise this country from it's knees or it will fail completely with everyone pulling duvet to themself and then run away like a rats from sinking ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 They have to rent a flat/house, they have to eat, they have to pay taxes from what they earn. Whatever they are doing with rest of the money (they legally earned and was working to get) is none of anyones bussiness. Besides - you cannot blame foreigners for EVERYTHING, try starting from your sad parody of the government, whos splashing tons of money on nothing, try all those pen pushers with stupid ideas, where milions are wasted on failed projects, try those who wish to get thousands for doing literally nothing. You need to EARN your money, fact that you finished university doesn't mean that you are on at least 40k/year no matter what. Take into consideration current education level in UK and kids "stressed" by simple exams and you will have a full picture. You will either start working together to raise this country from it's knees or it will fail completely with everyone pulling duvet to themself and then run away like a rats from sinking ship. Totally agree with that. I'm feeling very agreeable today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 They have to rent a flat/house, they have to eat, they have to pay taxes from what they earn. Whatever they are doing with rest of the money (they legally earned and was working to get) is none of anyones bussiness. Besides - you cannot blame foreigners for EVERYTHING, try starting from your sad parody of the government, whos splashing tons of money on nothing, try all those pen pushers with stupid ideas, where milions are wasted on failed projects, try those who wish to get thousands for doing literally nothing. You need to EARN your money, fact that you finished university doesn't mean that you are on at least 40k/year no matter what. Take into consideration current education level in UK and kids "stressed" by simple exams and you will have a full picture. You will either start working together to raise this country from it's knees or it will fail completely with everyone pulling duvet to themself and then run away like a rats from sinking ship. I already have my running shoes, just tying the laces now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Gaza is nice this time of year... How is the satellite TV? Mobile? PS3? Running water and heating... Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Gaza is nice this time of year... How is the satellite TV? Mobile? PS3? Running water and heating... Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective? Yes- I was just thinking along those lines. Just finished watching those recent Louis Theroux programmes (Sky+d) Think I'd rather still live here thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Gaza is nice this time of year... How is the satellite TV? Mobile? PS3? Running water and heating... Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective? The thing that annoys me is that most of the skiving gits on benefits do have all those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just been talking to a friend who's wife has been made redundant. Obviously with the country being in the current economic crisis loads of people are being made redundant so why is it the ones that have contributed the most to the government also end up being screwed the most? You work your way through school, college and university to get yourself a decent job to make a decent living. You do so, all the time paying your taxes and your national insurance, so that the deadbeats can get away with doing sweet-f-all. Why is it then, when you are made redundant, from having a good job that has paid for said deadbeats, that you are not allowed any money from the government due to getting a good redundancy package? I mean come on, where is the logic in all of this? Depending on the mortgage situation help may be needed. Ok granted, she may have got a lot of money but she bloody well earned it. She also has an expensive house.. that she has earned, an expensive car... that she has earned, the list goes on and on. Should she really be expected to go it alone after giving so much to our country over the years?? While i am at it, i just found out the state of pensions. It turns out that if you pay your national insurance all your life you get screwed as well. If you have a private pension at the end of your career you get LESS money from the government, as a pension, than the bloody deadbeat-live in the pub-alcoholics do. I cannot see the logic behind this. Its as if we live in a bloody twilight zone. The more you put into this country the less you get out. Where is the bloody logic! Its no wonder so many people sit on their arse and do nothing. What benefit is there to having anything nice and having the risk of losing it all while the government just sit and do nothing but count all the bloody cash you have given them over the years. The people who work all their days should be praised. Noone is asking for a lot but there is no way you should be punished for having the good bloody sense to plan ahead for the future. A £1 a week difference in pension would say enough rather than the £40 a week defecit it currently sits at. Yes, you read right. The same friends Father retired a few years ago with a good pension from the place i work in. He is sitting talking to people in the pub about how much they get. Turns out he is getting £30-£40 a week less, from the government, than the guys who haven't worked a day in their life (other than to build the pub from the ground up.. most likely), just because he has a private pension to live off of. Great Britain my arse! Because it is the way that Labour have made this country... Labour would rather use our money to pay for bum's and waster's to live off benefits, harbour Terrorists, and house immigrants and give them our jobs... That's why we are in trouble...plus Mr Brown has spent all of our money and it is HIS choice and HIS fault that we are all suffering because of him! And because of him, I was made redundant and I can't find anything else! Yes Scotster, this country sucks! Yes Brown wants to 'help' the general 'public' but all he is interested in is his ''TAX and SPEND' moto...that's what the w@nker does best. I really really hope the Conservatives win the next Election... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Because it is the way that Labour have made this country... Labour would rather use our money to pay for bum's and waster's to live off benefits, harbour Terrorists, and house immigrants and give them our jobs... That's why we are in trouble...plus Mr Brown has spent all of our money and it is HIS choice and HIS fault that we are all suffering because of him! And because of him, I was made redundant and I can't find anything else! Yes Scotster, this country sucks! Yes Brown wants to 'help' the general 'public' but all he is interested in is his ''TAX and SPEND' moto...that's what the w@nker does best. I really really hope the Conservatives win the next Election... That's all the government really can do when trying to run the economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 That's all the government really can do when trying to run the economy Yes but instead of trying to 'run' the Economy he has ruined it instead!! If he was more careful from the start, we and this Country would be ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yes but instead of trying to 'run' the Economy he has ruined it instead!! If he was more careful from the start, we and this Country would be ok... Actually the problem is a lot bigger than one man, and has been going on a lot longer than Brown has been in power. All that money and decadence in the 90's don't seem so clever now, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Actually the problem is a lot bigger than one man, and has been going on a lot longer than Brown has been in power. All that money and decadence in the 90's don't seem so clever now, does it? No it doesn't... It just that this Country was ok until Brown just started throwing money away...god knows where but that's when the problems started happening and from there it has snowballed dramatically! Happy new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It just that this Country was ok until Brown just started throwing money away...god knows where but that's when the problems started happening and from there it has snowballed dramatically! Without pissing on your fire too much, Brown has been rather unlucky to be in power when all this kicked off. The credit crunch is certainly not a direct result of his policies, that's plainly obvious if you know anything about the history of economic politics over the past decade. Running an economy is always a balancing act - we're now seeing what happens when it tips a little bit too far. I just think people are a little too quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame everything on the government. The UK population voted in a Labour government for a reason, after all. The grass is not always greener and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazB Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Explain this, a company starts to struggle with cash flow, business slows. They try to maintain staff levels, letting staff do what ever to fill the 8 hour shift. The when company in on the brink it say 'sorry we will have to make you redundant' but here's a few weeks wages along with the money you have just received whilst we were struggling and trying to find ways of staying in business. How does that make sense, you have to pay out even more when your struggling? Because our employment laws are totally employee based the employee can take, take and take. Even when the company is loosing money and when enough is enough and you have to let them go if you don't do it right in steps the law and they fine you, even though you haven't got a pot to p*ss in yourself. Yourself being the person that owns the company who has lost a living, perhaps suffered health wise and just wanted to employ people, pay them a far wage and give the government lots and lots of money back in taxes!!! Where as all this tax money gone shouldn't hit be made available to pay redundancies? IMO everybody is out to look after no.1, screw everybody else I want, I will have and I will pay later! If at all in some cases. Whether this be private money or business money. ‘The root of all evil’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdsukautos Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with you scotster, Another thing doing this country harm is all these foreigners that are working they send there money back home leaving less money to float about in england. I know of a few polish guys and all of them work to send the money back to there country. Imagine how many others are doing that not just polish too. Lol this is just plain funny and i know you added some more answers after bud but ive jsut came back from germany where after 6pm there are literally no shops open to get a pint of milk or a loaf of bread etc etc I remember this all happening when i was a kid about our asian contingent taking all our money in the corner shops that are open from 7am to 10pm. without these people there would be no corner shops left in britain they are mainkly the people that keep an old british tradition alive nowadays we should think ourselves lucky we can go to local shop at 10 and get the little things we forget to get etc etc As for the east europeans they are simply the best workers i have ever found and employed. Its all been said already about them and the money they spend in uk etc etc so i dont think i need to say anymore but they are just the new asian moan of old and in 10 years the british will be moaning about some/thing/one else Me im glad i made the decision over xmas to sell everything and get out of this country. Hopefully while im gone Scotland will gain full independence and get the north sea oil rights etc etc and make a nice country for me to retire back to in my later years:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 No it doesn't... It just that this Country was ok until Brown just started throwing money away...god knows where but that's when the problems started happening and from there it has snowballed dramatically! Happy new year. Whilst you continue your love affair with Brown , I would add that many people across the planet are essentially greedy and in additon, many do live beyond their means. It's one thing to lose a job through no fault of your own, but splurging cash on rubbish they can't afford doesn't help either when the bills are due. That's why I don't own a car or a pc and I live in a shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Without pissing on your fire too much, Brown has been rather unlucky to be in power when all this kicked off. The credit crunch is certainly not a direct result of his policies, that's plainly obvious if you know anything about the history of economic politics over the past decade. Running an economy is always a balancing act - we're now seeing what happens when it tips a little bit too far. I just think people are a little too quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame everything on the government. The UK population voted in a Labour government for a reason, after all. The grass is not always greener and all that. Yeah I see what your saying Gaz and I agree but to be fair, he isn't the best PM and nor was Blair... I mean Brown got in by default because no-one challenged him... As recent records show, the public is pi55ed off with Labour and their crap and are now turning towards the Conservatives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezzler Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i was informed that i was being made redundant in early november due to the company up and moving miles away. i was told i wouldnt get FA due to the fact of having worked there 1 year and 11 mths, not the 2 years required. i accepted this and thought f**k it i'll find another job. anyway, i found another job and handed 4 weeks notice in; 3 days before i was due to leave, everyone in the building was taken into the office to have a talk with the director......exept me. it turned out that everyone who hadnt managed to find a job was given 3 months pay, tax free, as a good will gesture, regardless of how long they had been there. this was announced 3 days before i left; i kicked up, but because i'd got off my a*se and found a job, i didnt qualify. still a sore point.. [ANGRY][/ANGRY] lets kick off a civil war and put clarkson in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i was informed that i was being made redundant in early november due to the company up and moving miles away. i was told i wouldnt get FA due to the fact of having worked there 1 year and 11 mths, not the 2 years required. i accepted this and thought f**k it i'll find another job. anyway, i found another job and handed 4 weeks notice in; 3 days before i was due to leave, everyone in the building was taken into the office to have a talk with the director......exept me. it turned out that everyone who hadnt managed to find a job was given 3 months pay, tax free, as a good will gesture, regardless of how long they had been there. this was announced 3 days before i left; i kicked up, but because i'd got off my a*se and found a job, i didnt qualify. still a sore point.. [ANGRY][/ANGRY] lets kick off a civil war and put clarkson in charge Oh FFS... Like me Pezzler, I got nothing too...I was only there at Audi for 3 months and was due to get a promotion into the Sales section but I got told that they were cutting people loose...including me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 blar blar blar arrh, you're 22... so you don't remember the last Conservative government or the eighties? I'm sure everyone here a huge respect for your ill informed ramblings. Please crack on with your tin pot Politics speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supranature Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hey guys, I have been self-employed for 12 years within the Construction/ Refurbishment industry. I have had NO work since the middle of November. I knew the score when I signed on, as I worked there 25 yrs ago, so was therefore upfront with them. My mortgage equares to £30 per week, but the Govt will give me naff-all for 13 weeks toward it! Obviously I have savings etc., but what if I hadn't? What if I had an average mortgage? As per Scotsters original post, this is the system at work, thats all. Incidentally, after 13 weeks they will only pay HALF of the interest, up to 26 weeks, after which they will pay interest only, the logic being that you should have Mortgage Protection to tide you over. This was not even mentioned to me in 1990, so was not taken. Since signing on at the end of November, I have noticed a DRAMATIC increase in the number of people there, the woman who signed me on on Monday said they are now unable to cope with the influx of new claims........ Doesn't look good, but I hope to start a new job within 2 weeks. Incidentally, they give me £60 per week to live on, and I have worked continuously since 1978! AND paid a lot of tax/NI etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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