Scott Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just been talking to a friend who's wife has been made redundant. Obviously with the country being in the current economic crisis loads of people are being made redundant so why is it the ones that have contributed the most to the government also end up being screwed the most? You work your way through school, college and university to get yourself a decent job to make a decent living. You do so, all the time paying your taxes and your national insurance, so that the deadbeats can get away with doing sweet-f-all. Why is it then, when you are made redundant, from having a good job that has paid for said deadbeats, that you are not allowed any money from the government due to getting a good redundancy package? I mean come on, where is the logic in all of this? Depending on the mortgage situation help may be needed. Ok granted, she may have got a lot of money but she bloody well earned it. She also has an expensive house.. that she has earned, an expensive car... that she has earned, the list goes on and on. Should she really be expected to go it alone after giving so much to our country over the years?? While i am at it, i just found out the state of pensions. It turns out that if you pay your national insurance all your life you get screwed as well. If you have a private pension at the end of your career you get LESS money from the government, as a pension, than the bloody deadbeat-live in the pub-alcoholics do. I cannot see the logic behind this. Its as if we live in a bloody twilight zone. The more you put into this country the less you get out. Where is the bloody logic! Its no wonder so many people sit on their arse and do nothing. What benefit is there to having anything nice and having the risk of losing it all while the government just sit and do nothing but count all the bloody cash you have given them over the years. The people who work all their days should be praised. Noone is asking for a lot but there is no way you should be punished for having the good bloody sense to plan ahead for the future. A £1 a week difference in pension would say enough rather than the £40 a week defecit it currently sits at. Yes, you read right. The same friends Father retired a few years ago with a good pension from the place i work in. He is sitting talking to people in the pub about how much they get. Turns out he is getting £30-£40 a week less, from the government, than the guys who haven't worked a day in their life (other than to build the pub from the ground up.. most likely), just because he has a private pension to live off of. Great Britain my arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRickeh Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think a lot of people born in this country work to earn enough money to leave it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think a lot of people born in this country work to earn enough money to leave it! The lucky ones lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul372 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i feel strongly the way you do mate about this its a bloody joke, the government are t***ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think a lot of people born in this country work to earn enough money to leave it! Truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Likewise, I guy was on the radio earlier saying he had been made redundant. He now has a mortgage & bills to pay as well as a family to support and because he has worked for his current employers for less than two years he is entitled to sweet FA. These are the sort of areas that need adrressing in this country. It's about time the working class who are the backbone of this country were recognised and supported. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supspower Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Assign me for the countrys treasurer and ill make sure the right people are looked after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think a lot of people born in this country work to earn enough money to leave it! Well since we (missus and I) moved here from South Africa, about 4 years ago, we have decided the UK is not for us and want to move on, just trying to figure out how and where Just not back to SA........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 That's what years of over-lenient social government policy does.... I'd hate to have a system like in the USA and South Africa where (I believe) there's literally no state handouts or benefits. That really is every man/woman for himself. Apologies for the keyboard politics, but the problem with this country is that the government is unwilling or unable to tell apart the genuine cases from the scrounging scum, so they all receive the benefits. There will always be borderline cases where some people think they're scroungers and others will think they're genuinely in need of help, but the govt seems to make no effort to apply such rules. Am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Well since we (missus and I) moved here from South Africa, about 4 years ago, we have decided the UK is not for us and want to move on, just trying to figure out how and where Just not back to SA........ Canada or Australia are the only realistic possibilities.... With regards to the rudundancy situation I find it very difficult to understand the system. If I had my way there would only be payouts for severely disabled or people who have paid into the system for say 80% of their working lives..!! People in this country seem to think that they are owed something? Why? If I was made redundant I wouldn't think of asking for handouts from anyone...... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 You supposedly only get 'benefits' from the government if you have no other form of income IIRC. It is very twisted, but they are supposedly helping the needy and not the rest of us. The idea, as pointed out by someone already, is to makes your millions and either leave, or stay and pay taxes etc to help the poor people at the other end of the scale. Sod that. Sorry to hear of your woes. Hope she gets another job very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with you scotster, Another thing doing this country harm is all these foreigners that are working they send there money back home leaving less money to float about in england. I know of a few polish guys and all of them work to send the money back to there country. Imagine how many others are doing that not just polish too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Canada or Australia are the only realistic possibilities.... With regards to the rudundancy situation I find it very difficult to understand the system. If I had my way there would only be payouts for severely disabled or people who have paid into the system for say 80% of their working lives..!! People in this country seem to think that they are owed something? Why? If I was made redundant I wouldn't think of asking for handouts from anyone...... H. Well I would consider Europe some where, if I could do it without having to continue working in my current type of role. Its just all the people that claim and just continue to do nothing. My mates neighbour, is like that, neither of the 2 work, all the guys does is goes to play golf once a week. Nothing wrong with this lazy ass.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Canada or Australia are the only realistic possibilities.... With regards to the rudundancy situation I find it very difficult to understand the system. If I had my way there would only be payouts for severely disabled or people who have paid into the system for say 80% of their working lives..!! People in this country seem to think that they are owed something? Why? If I was made redundant I wouldn't think of asking for handouts from anyone...... H. If your suddenly made redundant you may not have a job lined up straight away and redundancy pay out is designed for that, so you can carry on living and paying bills and buying food and such while your looking for another job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with you scotster, Another thing doing this country harm is all these foreigners that are working they send there money back home leaving less money to float about in england. I know of a few polish guys and all of them work to send the money back to there country. Imagine how many others are doing that not just polish too. Thats a little bit of a generalization... Im foreign! I work my ass off to pay for these lazy gits to sit at home watching TV. At least the polish work!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thats a little bit of a generalization... Im foreign! I work my ass off to pay for these lazy gits to sit at home watching TV. At least the polish work!! Yeah agreed, that seems to be an answer going around a lot at the moment "Ah it's because of the foreigners!" Seriously look around, it's blatantly not because of foreign people. My mate's from Malta and he's the hardest worker i'll ever know, absolutely breathes hard work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thats a little bit of a generalization... Im foreign! I work my ass off to pay for these lazy gits to sit at home watching TV. At least the polish work!! I'm with both of you in your point of views. Benyon is stressing the money flying out of the country. People coming here to work, live out of a van and send all the money they make home bar what they need to survive. You on the other hand came over to this country to live. That is a completely different scenario. There are 2 Asian owned shops next to where i live. One of the families moved over here, opened the shop and have their lives over here. The other one is owned by 2 brothers who have literally no life bar the shop and they send most of the money home to pakistan. Guess which one i give my money to for my weekend "carry out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yeah agreed, that seems to be an answer going around a lot at the moment "Ah it's because of the foreigners!" Seriously look around, it's blatantly not because of foreign people. My mate's from Malta and he's the hardest worker i'll ever know, absolutely breathes hard work! You must remember that mst people that come here (foreigners) are from countries where work is not readily available, and most will work harder to keep their jobs. So completely agree with the above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 But if the "foreigns" weren't here would that mean that more people who are losing their current jobs (i.e. the ones who want to work) wouldn't end up on benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 But if the "foreigns" weren't here would that mean that more people who are losing their current jobs (i.e. the ones who want to work) wouldn't end up on benefits? For the honest ones i guess that would be true, whereas the lazy ones i'm sure would find a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thats a little bit of a generalization... Im foreign! I work my ass off to pay for these lazy gits to sit at home watching TV. At least the polish work!! I know Thats what I like about polish they come here and they get a job no arsing around thinking of ways to make false claims like most of the "asians" in my area, I try not to insult foreigners But If poeple are taking money out of this country then its gonna cause us problems. And same with english council estates the lazy twats that have 5 kids before they are 20 so they can get benefits and guess who has to pay for it us hard workers. If people want to come here work and to live here I dont have a problem with that, But when they send all there wages back to where they came from it will be affecting the economy slightly. I understand there are many other reasons like our greedy goverment taking all the money to make ivory back scratchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I know Thats what I like about polish they come here and they get a job no arsing around thinking of ways to make false claims like most of the "asians" in my area, I try not to insult foreigners But If poeple are taking money out of this country then its gonna cause us problems. And same with english council estates the lazy twats that have 5 kids before they are 20 so they can get benefits and guess who has to pay for it us hard workers. If people want to come here work and to live here I dont have a problem with that, But when they send all there wages back to where they came from it will be affecting the economy slightly. I understand there are many other reasons like our greedy goverment taking all the money to make ivory back scratchers Did you type that in a hurry, per chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't understand people that are upset that people from other countries come over (legally) to our country (which is a damn site better than the ones they have come from) earn money (legally - working 24 hours a day doing a rubbish job) and send it back to help there families who are in desperate need of it. Wouldn't you strive to do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't understand people that are upset that people from other countries come over (legally) to our country (which is a damn site better than the ones they have come from) earn money (legally - working 24 hours a day doing a rubbish job) and send it back to help there families who are in desperate need of it. Wouldn't you strive to do the same? Its only a small percentage of the population anyway. I think we maybe need another census to find out the true picture of 'our' society to see what everyone's really up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steady_dave Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't understand people that are upset that people from other countries come over (legally) to our country (which is a damn site better than the ones they have come from) earn money (legally - working 24 hours a day doing a rubbish job) and send it back to help there families who are in desperate need of it. Wouldn't you strive to do the same? There is some truth in that, however the world cannot work this way or all economies would go to pot. It would be brilliant if this didn't have an effect on anything but unfortunately it does and so we are left with this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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