At what point is a car considered "fast"?

[Guest johnnie]

I know I'm probably just asking for you to confuse / frustrate me even more but you are now saying that a car is only fast if it's over 600bhp, has fast acceleration and a high top speed?

 

So what's an acceptable top speed? What if a car is limited to a certain speed, 155mph for example, but has the ability to exceed this? What it a car is limited to ensure it's tyres don't pop or it's gearbox doesn't explode but still gets to 155mph in a very fast time?

 

Going back to acceleration... what do you consider to be good acceleration?

 

As Ian has pointed out I've already given a few examples of fast cars that don't fit into your 600bhp+ bracket, do you need some more?

 

Mate, everyone has their own perception to the word "FAST" and I've clearly told u about my perception quite clear, and as we are living in the free world you might not agree with me but you need to accept it either it's right or wrong for you but it's right for me.

[RobSheffield]

Mate, everyone has their own perception to the word "FAST" and I've clearly told u about my perception quite clear, and as we are living in the free world you might not agree with me but you need to accept it either it's right or wrong for you but it's right for me.

 

I think your perception of the term 'clear' is somewhat skewed.

[Guest johnnie]

I think your perception of the term 'clear' is somewhat skewed.

 

600 HP + isn't that clear?

[Scott]

600 HP + isn't that clear?

 

No, 600hp does not determin a vehicle's speed in any way.

 

Its funny, we sometimes talk about pub talk. You are the definition of the pub talkee.

[Gazboy]

600 HP + isn't that clear?

 

TBH I think you'd shit yourself in my friends Westfield.

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h4BsOLaU_II&feature=related

[Axle]

600 HP + isn't that clear?

 

So a 400 BHP Engine in a vehicle which is let say for arguments sake, 900 kilos - Wouldnt be considered fast to you?

[Scott]

So a 400 BHP Engine in a vehicle which is let say for arguments sake, 900 kilos - Wouldnt be considered fast to you?

 

Of course not, its not 600HP.

 

A tractor however

[Dave17]

I suspect if you put 600 HP in a car that weighs 10 tons it's not going to be that fast?

[Axle]

I suspect if you put 600 HP in a car that weighs 10 tons it's not going to be that fast?

 

Which is precisely the point in hand.

 

Johnnie i am afraid your theory is somewhat flawed. You go to University you say?...

[Scott]

Which is precisely the point in hand.

 

Johnnie i am afraid your theory is somewhat flawed. You go to University you say?...

 

Makes me glad i didn't go.

[Thorin]

I went from a NA Supra with 220bhp to a Volvo with 320bhp and I considered that fast

 

Ah so perhaps we can just say a fast car is anything faster than an NA?

 

And of course we all know how fast BMW 318i's are so they are obviously included.

[ivan]

Which is precisely the point in hand.

 

Johnnie i am afraid your theory is somewhat flawed. You go to University you say?...

Still at school at 26 then, eh?

[Max Headroom]

Ah so perhaps we can just say a fast car is anything faster than an NA?

 

And of course we all know how fast BMW 318i's are so they are obviously included.

 

 

No I considered the NA fast, my bad English:tongue:. It was perhaps going from a NA to a single turbo was a different perception of fast!! If you get what I mean. Its not necessarily how fast a car is, just how quickly it can get there

 

Oh and BMWs are s**t anyway, in whatever context you mean

[michael]

Mate, everyone has their own perception to the word "FAST" and I've clearly told u about my perception quite clear, and as we are living in the free world you might not agree with me but you need to accept it either it's right or wrong for you but it's right for me.

 

I still have no idea what you are wittering on about I'm afraid.

[Thorin]

I still have no idea what you are wittering on about I'm afraid.

 

POWER!!!!1!!! innit.

[Ewen]

I'd use the term 'quick' myself. A fast heavy car can have meagre torque but a lot of power and high top speed, a fast light car can have meagre power but a lot of torque and blinding acceleration. Neither are mutually exclusive, so I suppose I'd say a 'quick' car is one with a good balance of both power and torque with a decent power to weight ratio, good brakes, and good handling too. In those terms, the quickest car I've seen so far (on Top Gear I admit) is the Caterham 500.

I'm not in the same experience league as some on here, but I'm happy to describe my understanding of a 'fast' car as a 'quick' one.

[Kopite]

600 HP + isn't that clear?

 

So is a Formular 3 car (2L engine, about 200bhp, 550Kg) not a fast car? A M1A2 Abrams tank has 1500bhp, so is that super fast?

[Lbm]

I won't be seen in anything under 850bhp- 600 horses just isn't fast enough.

[Guest johnnie]

Alright mate, I give up

 

Whatever you guys say Fast that Fast, not what I said and hope you guys happy now.

 

Anyway do any of you think that 600 HP+ CAR isn't fast?

[RedM]

Supra iz a farst car. Day iz well wikkid innit. 600hp iz nuffink. My broz got a 1000hbp scooby wot goz rilly farst on da AA lorry innit.

 

Y duz a fowzand hp tractor only do 30mph? Dats well crap.

 

..... and I thought I'd miss this place while I was away!

 

FWIW anything that doesn't need to spool and will also get me where I need to go is fast in my book.

[Scott]

Alright mate, I give up

 

Whatever you guys say Fast that Fast, not what I said and hope you guys happy now.

 

Anyway do any of you think that 600 HP+ CAR isn't fast?

 

Depends on the driver, the weight of the car, the transmission losses, the suspension and chassis.

 

There will be faster 400bhp cars than 600bhp cars. Thats the point of what we are saying mate. You just can't seem to grasp it.

 

Do you think because a car has 600bhp its faster than a car with 500? I know of a 500bhp diesel that has so much torque it can out accelerate just about anything on the road.

 

Saying anything above 600hp is fast and anything below isn't is just a ridiculous statement to come out with. Stating 600hp/ton is fast and less than that isn't would make much more sense. You come accross as someone who hasn't even had a sniff at a car with 600hp though, as you seem to know very little about the whole understanding of what the difference is between a powerful car and a fast car.

 

You have came out with probably the daftest statement of the year. It only makes you look daft as there are a lot of people who know what they are talking about on here. I'm not one of them, i 'only' have around 400hp afterall, but i like to think i have an understanding of it all. Anything i don't understand i can find out from here from people that do know.

 

I don't use it often, but obtuse is springing to mind. Its not that your stupid, you are so close minded its making you appear stupid.

[Thorin]

Alright mate, I give up

 

Whatever you guys say Fast that Fast, not what I said and hope you guys happy now.

 

Anyway do any of you think that 600 HP+ CAR isn't fast?

 

Jay Leno's "Tank Car" has way more than 600HP... and isn't particularly fast.

 

I think there's a point somewhere that you keep missing.

[Lbm]

Depends on the driver, the weight of the car, the transmission losses, the suspension and chassis.

 

There will be faster 400bhp cars than 600bhp cars. Thats the point of what we are saying mate. You just can't seem to grasp it.

 

Do you think because a car has 600bhp its faster than a car with 500? I know of a 500bhp diesel that has so much torque it can out accelerate just about anything on the road.

 

Saying anything above 600hp is fast and anything below isn't is just a ridiculous statement to come out with. Stating 600hp/ton is fast and less than that isn't would make much more sense. You come accross as someone who hasn't even had a sniff at a car with 600hp though, as you seem to know very little about the whole understanding of what the difference is between a powerful car and a fast car.

 

You have came out with probably the daftest statement of the year. It only makes you look daft as there are a lot of people who know what they are talking about on here. I'm not one of them, i 'only' have around 400hp afterall, but i like to think i have an understanding of it all. Anything i don't understand i can find out from here from people that do know.

 

I don't use it often, but obtuse is springing to mind. Its not that your stupid, you are so close minded its making you appear stupid.

 

 

To be fair...he has given up. For now.

[michael]

Hillclimb... maybe that something that highlights all the ingredients of a fast car in one package?

 

Power, weight, handling, speed, acceleration, brakes and so on...

 

A Veyron went up Prescott in 46.39 (demo run, reckons it could have been faster), by contrast on the same day a 1970 Lotus Type 69 F3 car did a 45.22 (it usually runs in the 44s there).

[AndrewOW]

Jay Leno's "Tank Car" has way more than 600HP... and isn't particularly fast.

 

I think there's a point somewhere that you keep missing.

 

 

Logic comes to mind