imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Pakistan's reluctance to allow coalition troops to work around their borders even though it is a fact that most terrorist strongholds are just beyond the pakistan/afghan border. Taliban can freely work in and out of pakistan without threat of attack from coalition forces, all they have to worry about is pakistani militia and they're to worried about squaring up to india. But we'll just ignore all this as Islam is all peace and light. As for 'what is an islamic extremist' i would consider that as a muslim who wished to kill all and sundry because a book or some guy in a grainy home movie shot in a cave told him so. Oh my....I question whether I should even bother.... If you are happy to go there to the front line to "address" the issue as you see it - then I wish you the best of luck. Personally, I think you are completely delusional, confused, full of anger and hatred for subjects that you are way too ignorant to even begin to want to understand. Oh - Good luck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Oh my....I question whether I should even bother.... If you are happy to go there to the front line to "address" the issue as you see it - then I wish you the best of luck. Personally, I think you are completely delusional, confused, full of anger and hatred for subjects that you are way too ignorant to even begin to want to understand. Oh - Good luck..... I'm not going anywhere to address any issue that you speak of (although i'm not sure what you mean by that), my problem is when islam brings its troubles to other countries. Multics is correct in what he said, it is fighting over land rather than religion and muslims seem to fail at seeing that, my issue is that muslim's more so than most other religion's (IMHO) seem to resort to terror tactics and violence directed at innocent people. Now tell me why that is the case seeing as i'm far to IGNORANT to figure it out on my own. must be my dumb ignorant christian up-bringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Originally Posted by IMI What is an islamic extremist? You always let yourself down with this sort of reply. Yes, the crusades, bad period and all that, think we have found our way now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Correct, we all come into the world the same, we bleed the same blood - we are all the same... Shame that religions use the sword, the bomb and the bullet to prove this on a practical level but lose sight of the truth in the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Oh my....I question whether I should even bother.... Agree with you there because people have made there minds up already and most will not change there views or thinking because the media ha been drip feeding them all this cr44p for ages, so a simple thread won't change nothing. What i would like to ask is, what do these types of thread actually achieve apart from bitterness and insulting others. Why can not everyone just stick to what they believe in and leave everyone else the fc...k alone. And also would like to add if some peron who most of you lot call a MUSLIM on the other side of the world, who i dont know, have never spoke too, have no relationhip with is trying to blow something up then what does it have to do with me? For one i dont see him/her as a muslim if there killing innocent people because MY faith says it is wrong but yet mot you lot insist we are all the same and insult Islam/muslims as being terrorists etc without actually having any understanding of the religion what so ever.........o.k that's said so now i can go and wind up some more boost and take over the world!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 now i can go and wind up some more boost and take over the world!!! Shouldn't that be overtake the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Shame that religions use the sword, the bomb and the bullet to prove this on a practical level but lose sight of the truth in the statement. I see what you are saying.....none of the major religions promote violence. Now if the "followers" choose to use whatever religion to forward their political or militant agenda then it is hardly the fault of the religion. Most people fail to make that distinction........and this in my view is down to pure ignorance and being bigoted. Some might think that it would be best to get rid of religion altogether, unfortunately it isnt as simple as that, as human nature will come up with something else to destroy others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Shouldn't that be overtake the world? lol! Maybe it should have been....same result me thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Agree with you there because people have made there minds up already and most will not change there views or thinking because the media ha been drip feeding them all this cr44p for ages, so a simple thread won't change nothing. Where do we go to get the unbiased truth then? Why can not everyone just stick to what they believe in and leave everyone else the fc...k alone. Isn't this the problem though? Some people believe in things that are a little bit unacceptable to others... like killing for trivial things like fictional religions. And also would like to add if some peron who most of you lot call a MUSLIM on the other side of the world, who i dont know, have never spoke too, have no relationhip with is trying to blow something up then what does it have to do with me? Taking this personally much? Isn't the case that the person doing the whole blowing people up thing is proclaiming that they are doing so because they are a Muslim and have an injustice to fight? For one i dont see him/her as a muslim if there killing innocent people because MY faith says it is wrong but yet mot you lot insist we are all the same and insult Islam/muslims as being terrorists etc without actually having any understanding of the religion what so ever Mmm... interesting approach, does this mean that Christians can pretend that any bad people who follow that faith aren't really Christians? How jolly convenient. Ultimately it's the people that give the bad press you need to shout at, not those that make a judgement based on their actions. Prevent the idiots, prevent the generic bad feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 While i tend to think the same as "Prevent the idiots, prevent the generic bad feeling." How can someone else stop these people. I mean for instance if a band of say 2000 plumbers world wide plotted to blow up the world trade center in the name of plumbing could you then blanket hate all plumbers? As for christains we have done alot worse in the name of GOD in our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Ultimately it's the people that give the bad press you need to shout at, not those that make a judgement based on their actions. Prevent the idiots, prevent the generic bad feeling. I have to agree with this. Talking with some Muslim chaps they all agree that people who commit crimes in the name of Islam are wrong and not true Muslims but I also got the impression that the discussion ends there and there's nothing done to put these delusionals back on "the real" track. I know that an Imam, whether his views extreme or not, he remains an Imam and that's a prestigious social status that cannot be transcended, that's why discussions end there. We have a similar problem in Greece with some hardcore priests, they have a very high status in society, not because their views are hardcore but because they're priests and there's nothing that can be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Where do we go to get the unbiased truth then? Not the media anyway, if James Bond movies have taught us anything it is that the media is controlled by mischievous sorts that seek to turn the world against Islam by making up stories of bombings and such like. Damn that carver media group! On a serious note though, I think we should get our news from 'word of mouth' that way there will no argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Isn't this the problem though? Some people believe in things that are a little bit unacceptable to others... like killing for trivial things like fictional religions. - its not sinking in...is it? like addressing a brick wall.. there's nothing done to put these delusionals back on "the real" track. easily said than done....look at how difficult it is to get people on here to actually listen, they hear what we are saying but they dont listen, they dont want to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 A wailing one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Inone of the major religions promote violence. . Exactly, its man that interprets the message to suit themselves. Religious leaders are often clever and manipulative people who prey on weaker people. A truly religious person of any faith would never do harm to another but a liar and a murderer would argue any case that suited their ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 - its not sinking in...is it? like addressing a brick wall.. easily said than done....look at how difficult it is to get people on here to actually listen, they hear what we are saying but they dont listen, they dont want to understand. I think you've got a huge chip on your shoulder....and not the salty kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I think you've got a huge chip on your shoulder....and not the salty kind. Yeah, and he also has a habit of trying to be the clever one who shouldn't be questioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 easily said than done....look at how difficult it is to get people on here to actually listen, they hear what we are saying but they dont listen, they dont want to understand. Exactly. Does not matter how much you try and explain to some people they will always look for the worst bits. I mean you have a couple muslims on this forum who are petrolheads just like most people on here, have a similiar western lifestyles and are not planning to blow up this forum etc but yet people will ignore this and only listen/see what they want to believe. Micheal....Not taking anything personally, just trying to give an example but obviously that seems to havebeen a pointless exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I do post on other topics too, however regarding this one, obviously trying to help people through their ignorance. Perhaps a wasted effort by the look of things That's very kind of you, but it's like trying to teach a pig to sing. You only waste your time and annoy the pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 - its not sinking in...is it? like addressing a brick wall.. Bless, still playing the "I'm above you so I don't need to explain anything to your silly little mind" game to mask the fact that you are unable to discuss things properly. And you don't address me or anyone, you throw meaningless input at people and expect them bow down to your vague attempts at superiority. If we are so dumb why not educate us? Show us where we are going wrong... wave your clawed hands and tell us what to do... I'm a sponge, fill me up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I just &&&&& && && bed. Feel a lot better now. Imi is saying that people dant kill cos of religion, they kill cos they is wicked or have been manipulated by wicked people who have somehow perverted religion. did the ira kill cos of religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Bless, still playing the "I'm above you so I don't need to explain anything to your silly little mind" game to mask the fact that you are unable to discuss things properly. And you don't address me or anyone, you throw meaningless input at people and expect them bow down to your vague attempts at superiority. If we are so dumb why not educate us? Show us where we are going wrong... wave your clawed hands and tell us what to do... I'm a sponge, fill me up... I'll never be able to thank you enough for my banana transformation, but this is the least I could do. Heck it's nearly Christmas and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I'm a sponge, fill me up... LOL! had me in stitches! /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_grin.gif /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_grin.gif /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_grin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 - its not sinking in...is it? Not here at Pot Mansions... Should it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I do post on other topics too, however regarding this one, obviously trying to help people through their ignorance. So you preaching then? My view of Muslims/Islam is based on the people I meet. Sadly they are neither as intelligent or articulate as imi and perhaps thats where the problem lies. Irrespective of his statements that blowing people up in the name of religion is against his religion, it seems that a large proportion of people (and I dare say a significant majoirity of the feeling from the Muslims in Bradford) is that such actions are acceptable and right. Imi can try 'help people through their ignorance' but perhaps he might find it more helpful if he started teaching his version (or the correct version... what ever you want) to the people who need teaching... those who give Islam a bad name. With regard to the person refering to Ireland as a Christian war, I would point out that this has relatively been resolved... one hopes that if the people who follow Islam get their house in order perhaps they could stop the suicidal tendancies many of the followers have... which in turn I hope will improve the religions image. Talking with some Muslim chaps they all agree that people who commit crimes in the name of Islam are wrong and not true Muslims but I also got the impression that the discussion ends there and there's nothing done to put these delusionals back on "the real" track. There is the problem isn't it If we are so dumb why not educate us? Show us where we are going wrong... wave your clawed hands and tell us what to do... I'm a sponge, fill me up... *Votes Michael PM* Very funny post and rather valid imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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