MaveriK Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 So is hippydom, but you don't see them getting a little 'upset' at a drop of a hat! Just spat my tea all over the shop, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Regarding me visiting bradford to meet your brethren....the Quran is there for them to read - if they can read. ( Read? They are from Bradford.... your asking a hell of a lot! On most forums, it'd make an easier life to be openly gay rather than a Muslim I don't think anyone on this forum has intentionally insulted another board member simply due to faith. Matt H on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 like imi said: Islam best religion with the worst followers, i think there is something in that. as for hippydom vs islam, perhaps there is more ganja smoking among hippies that makes them more chilled out. and yet, a lot of protesting of the save the whale, and the orangutan type, appears to be done by hippys or ex-hippys. Oh save the local tree and the rights of the unborn child too. Not to take anything away from those causes mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Actually it would. I mean if we worried about what was happening in our neighbourhoods and areas or just the u.k and not hold hands with the u.s and go around trying to sort all the worlds problems out and end up creating even more, then yes it would be a much better place IMHO(at least where you live). I mean all this terrorism really ecalated after bombing Iraq and Afghanistan both failed missions in my opinion. In Iraq it was weapons of mass destruction (erm where are they?)and Afghanistan was for Bin Laden (still on the loose), none of them have actually been succesfull. if i were to only read news about what happens in the UK i would still feel the same way as i do now as islamic extremists have targeted the UK, not just America, India, Malaysia and well...everywhere. Islam always wants to govern itself and hates it when western powers try to intervene after terrorist attacks, however islamic nations dont have the intention or the capability of removing the threat within their own people. In all your wisdom why do you think the Muslim religion has more of a stigma attached to it than any other religion and why do you think more terrorist actions in the world are committed by Muslims with a stick up there ar5e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 In all your wisdom why do you think the Muslim religion has more of a stigma attached to it than any other religion and why do you think more terrorist actions in the world are committed by Muslims with a stick up there ar5e. According to who Islam has a bigger stigma? You fail to see the bigger picture or you haven't read enough history books. Do you have any idea of how many people where killed in the name of the Christian God? Have you heard of the Crusades? The Spanish conquests? You don't even have to go that far from your country, remember Northern Ireland? People from the same religion killing eachother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I read earlier on this thread that arranged (forced) marriages is an Asian thing rather than Islam thing. It's only partly true. Arranged marriages are a tradition and you will find this tradition in other Muslim countries like most of the northern African ones. However, the same tradition has been followed by non-Muslim people, it used to be the same in Greece back in the day and it's still the case in south American countries where they're very very relgious (Christian, Roman Catholics). The problem with arranged marriages are the closed family circles, social class systems and the mental pressure that comes with it, it's nothing to do with Religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I read earlier on this thread that arranged (forced) marriages is an Asian thing rather than Islam thing. It's only partly true. Arranged marriages are a tradition and you will find this tradition in other Muslim countries like most of the northern African ones. However, the same tradition has been followed by non-Muslim people, it used to be the same in Greece back in the day and it's still the case in south American countries where they're very very relgious (Christian, Roman Catholics). The problem with arranged marriages are the closed family circles, social class systems and the mental pressure that comes with it, it's nothing to do with Religions. Arranged marriages have been about for ever. Royalty, landowners of old, military alliances were all controlled in that fashion IIRC. Its a way of guaranteeing a supposedly 'acceptable' lineage, but what about the feelings of the 'happy' couple? Ah, that doesn't really matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Arranged marriages have been about for ever. Royalty, landowners of old, military alliances were all controlled in that fashion IIRC. Its a way of guaranteeing a supposedly 'acceptable' lineage, but what about the feelings of the 'happy' couple? Ah, that doesn't really matter I totally agree with you that the couples feelings are never really taken into account and of course it's wrong. But as you said, in order to preserve alliances and lineage, feelings have no place. Also talking about feelings, eastern cultures have a very different approach as to what "love" is. Westerners would associate Love with romance etc but eastern cultures would define it more as a result of obediance and respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 According to who Islam has a bigger stigma? You fail to see the bigger picture or you haven't read enough history books. Do you have any idea of how many people where killed in the name of the Christian God? Have you heard of the Crusades? The Spanish conquests? You don't even have to go that far from your country, remember Northern Ireland? People from the same religion killing eachother. I'm from Northern Ireland so yeah, I remember it pretty well and it was not people of the same religion killing each other, it was not even a case of religion, it just so happened the two sides were of different religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 When were you thinking of getting off the crack? Thats brilliant Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Do you have any idea of how many people where killed in the name of the Christian God? Have you heard of the Crusades? The Spanish conquests? Also why do you mention the crusades, they only occurred so christians could get back what was taken during your Muslim conquests, us horrible christians are not the only people who fought for land you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Fighting over religion is like fighting over who has the best imaginary friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Also why do you mention the crusades, they only occurred so christians could get back what was taken during your Muslim conquests, us horrible christians are not the only people who fought for land you know. I mention the crusades because that's what they were: wars against other people (including other Christians) in the name of God. If people want to get back their land they should go ahead and claim it, Religion has nothing to do with it. So this should also apply for the Palestinians claiming back their homeland before the creation of the state of Israel but you see, it's a Religion problem again, people love to fight about that shit. And also, they're not MY Muslim conquests as you mention, I'm Christian, Greek Orthodox to be more precise, my country suffered a lot under the Ottoman rule so don't make quick assumptions I'm just trying to be fair here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 IBTL. Just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Thing thats boring me right now is the fact that any thread title with the word muslim in it is getting debated to death, almost on a weekly basis. Ahh....I see what you mean.....just goes to show how bored I am at the moment Read? They are from Bradford.... your asking a hell of a lot! Well, there lies the problem then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 if i were to only read news about what happens in the UK i would still feel the same way as i do now as islamic extremists have targeted the UK, What is an islamic extremist? Islam always wants to govern itself and hates it when western powers try to intervene after terrorist attacks, Really....news to me; care to point me to your source of info however islamic nations dont have the intention or the capability of removing the threat within their own people. Islamic Nations - LOL - yeah right. In all your wisdom why do you think the Muslim religion has more of a stigma attached to it than any other religion and why do you think more terrorist actions in the world are committed by Muslims with a stick up there ar5e. For your information - Muslim religion = ISLAM. You need to make a distinction between Islam (the way of life) and the actions of the people from around the world (allegedly, the followers of Islam). Look at the history of who these people are and why they are doing what they are doing - go to the source of the problem and once you try and understand it, then only can you look for a solution to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Did this thread not start off talking about a computer game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Did this thread not start off talking about a computer game? Yeah, the muslims spoilt it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 Do you remember when Imi used to rant on about Muslim stuff all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yeah, the muslims spoilt it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yeah, the muslims spoilt it again Simply awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Do you remember when Imi used to rant on about Muslim stuff all the time? Ah the good old days. It's the only topic I ever see him post about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yeah, the muslims spoilt it again Good one. Yup, blame it on the muslims......like the rest. It's the only topic I ever see him post about. I do post on other topics too, however regarding this one, obviously trying to help people through their ignorance. Perhaps a wasted effort by the look of things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Good one. Yup, blame it on the muslims......like the rest. Poor persecuted Imi, damn the western infidels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Really....news to me; care to point me to your source of info Pakistan's reluctance to allow coalition troops to work around their borders even though it is a fact that most terrorist strongholds are just beyond the pakistan/afghan border. Taliban can freely work in and out of pakistan without threat of attack from coalition forces, all they have to worry about is pakistani militia and they're to worried about squaring up to india. But we'll just ignore all this as Islam is all peace and light. As for 'what is an islamic extremist' i would consider that as a muslim who wished to kill all and sundry because a book or some guy in a grainy home movie shot in a cave told him so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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