Holden1989 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I would still say drifting requires more skill to do and master then most grip driving though......I mean you could get into a race built car and could race, compentantly, it might not be great, but you could finish higher then last given a good car, but you cant just jump into say a D1 drift car and drift it. correct me if im wrong but could the same not be said for the lower end of drifting competitions? i mean, there cant be alot off skill involved with people who have just started drifting (most off them drive rwd cars day to day and know how to get the back end out), like theres not alot off skill in just starting motor racing i enjoy watching it, i saw the drifting championships at silverstone a few years back and i thought it was awesome, but like jamiep i couldnt watch the lower end stuff before i met the OH (who does race) i knew nothing about racing, but you learn to appreciate that there is alot more skill involved than just driving fast around a track, that make sense? (i find it hard to put across what i meant in first post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I pretty much agree with JamieP. I like watching the Japanese drift videos that you find in Video Option etc, cars are really nice, very skilfull drivers, manga chicks, nice raceways, the whole drama plus I don't understand what they're talking about. It seems to me though that the UK drifting "scene" is missing most of these elements that I really like and is a bit chav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I quite fancy having a go at drifting but in a stripped out car thats just for drifting but might be hard work in an auto, one handed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Come to think of it, Jamie, I'm surprised you've not got into this in a big way? TBH id take up time attack if i had the time but as my buisness has expanded i have to go into work 7 days a week, although i dont work all day i still have to pop in and out. New baby is coming anytime now aswell, and i mean anytime now, contractions 15min apart, been up the hospital all night but they sent us home till they get closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 TBH id take up time attack if i had the time but as my buisness has expanded i have to go into work 7 days a week, although i dont work all day i still have to pop in and out. New baby is coming anytime now aswell, and i mean anytime now, contractions 15min apart, been up the hospital all night but they sent us home till they get closer. Wrexham Park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 New baby is coming anytime now aswell, and i mean anytime now, contractions 15min apart, been up the hospital all night but they sent us home till they get closer. My god! get the towels and hot water! Good luck mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Wrexham Park? Yup. Cheers Mike, maybe i should not of mentioned in this thread, lets keep on topic:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yup. Cheers Mike, maybe i should not of mentioned in this thread, lets keep on topic:) Well - just as long as baby doesn't try coming out sideways! I'm all excited for you now (not in that way, Ed!). Have a great week, mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yup. Cheers Mike, maybe i should not of mentioned in this thread, lets keep on topic:) I've heard great things about them, hope all goes well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 I would still say drifting requires more skill to do and master then most grip driving though......I mean you could get into a race built car and could race, compentantly, it might not be great, but you could finish higher then last given a good car, but you cant just jump into say a D1 drift car and drift it. correct me if im wrong but could the same not be said for the lower end of drifting competitions? i mean, there cant be alot off skill involved with people who have just started drifting (most off them drive rwd cars day to day and know how to get the back end out), like theres not alot off skill in just starting motor racing i enjoy watching it, i saw the drifting championships at silverstone a few years back and i thought it was awesome, but like jamiep i couldnt watch the lower end stuff before i met the OH (who does race) i knew nothing about racing, but you learn to appreciate that there is alot more skill involved than just driving fast around a track, that make sense? (i find it hard to put across what i meant in first post) Get a RWD car and show me then You would be surprised how much skill you need to drift properly, and I dont mean car park stuff, or making the back end step out while pulling out of a junction, thats not drifting, thats either powersliding or what I call weight initiated drifting, true difting is being propelled by power, by the rear wheels and using opposite lock to go in the direction you want, I have been doing what you said for the last 7 years of Supra ownership and even I admit before I started this properly I would have said I could, but to constantly go in one direction around a track whilst sideways and initiate different directions you realise that your car park antics werent no where near what you need to do it properly. My point about starting out in motor racing and starting out in drifting is still valid I believe, if you havent raced before and buy your first race prepared car and enter your first race, you will more then likely make it round and finish, you might be last, given a well built and powerfull car you might not finish last (the car could carry you), but if you got someone that hasnt drifted before and stuck them in either a £500 tramp drifter or a BDC spec drift car they wont make it past the first corner, well they might do, but it would probably result in a spin or no drift at all. And I know how much skill is involved in proper grip racing, I would love to race, and have total respect for all types of racing, I just dont understand the majority view with drifting, because as far Im concerned its no lower, no higher, any worse or any better then any other racing, yet the majority seem to find it boring, chavvy etc....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 It's all about showing off really isn't it? Come to think of it, Jamie, I'm surprised you've not got into this in a big way? It's just like a burnout, but going around a corner at the same time... You could put it like that, or you could put it another way, its about showmanship, a bit like performing a show but with machines. And its nothing like a burnout but going round a corner at the same time, thats exactly what I mean by someone trying to drift that hasnt yet aquired the skill and understanding of a car will probably just end up in a spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 I pretty much agree with JamieP. I like watching the Japanese drift videos that you find in Video Option etc, cars are really nice, very skilfull drivers, manga chicks, nice raceways, the whole drama plus I don't understand what they're talking about. It seems to me though that the UK drifting "scene" is missing most of these elements that I really like and is a bit chav. This is because we are about 5+ years behind the Japs, the same as we cant build single powered Supras the same as the US, we are behind most of the world unfortunately, but if attitudes never change then will will stay there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden1989 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Get a RWD car and show me then You would be surprised how much skill you need to drift properly, and I dont mean car park stuff, or making the back end step out while pulling out of a junction, I have been doing that for the last 7 years of Supra ownership and even I admit before I started this properly I would have said I could, but to constantly go in one direction around a track whilst sideways and initiate direction you realise that your car park antics werent no where near to what you need to do it properly. My point about starting out in motor racing and starting out in different is still valid I believe, if you havent raced before and buy your first race prepared car and enter your first race, you will more then likely make it round and finish, you might be last, given a well built and powerfull car you might not finish last (the car could carry you), but if you got someone that hasnt drifted before and stuck them in either a £500 tramp drifter or a BDC spec drift car they wont make it past the first corner, well they might do, but it would probably result in a spin or no drift at all. And I know how much skill is involved in proper grip racing, I would love to race, and have total respect for all types of racing, I just dont understand the majority view with drifting, because as far Im concerned its no lower, no higher, any worse or any better then any other racing, yet the majority seem to find it boring, chavvy etc....... what i ment was when watching the lower end stuff, there isnt alot off skill (not that i can see anyway), just like stock hatch etc but you cant tell me you could get straight into aston martin touring car and come anywhere apart from last in a championship? just like i couldnt get into a drift car like you said and get past the first corner in the level that you are competing as it stands, yes i do think it is a sport, but on alot smaller scale compared to other motor sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 what i ment was when watching the lower end stuff, there isnt alot off skill (not that i can see anyway), just like stock hatch etc but you cant tell me you could get straight into aston martin touring car and come anywhere apart from last in a championship? just like i couldnt get into a drift car like you said and get past the first corner in the level that you are competing as it stands, yes i do think it is a sport, but on alot smaller scale compared to other motor sports Jumping into an Aston Martin touring car I might not come anywhere but bottom, but I will make it round and round the track until the finish, but my point is the skill and understanding required to drift properly as you cant just jump into any drift car and expect to make it round the first bend because you wont. If you are talking about Pod as in the lower end stuff then no, its not pretty too watch, but where did all the current BDC drivers start out, probably at Pod, but by the same token would you really want to watch some two bit race car have its first outting with a new to the scene race driver behind the wheel driving around say a no named race track, no because that would be boring, yes the beginnner stuff in any line of motorsport is boring, but Im talking about the BDC/EDC/Pro Drift/D1 stuff Vs other area of motorsport, BTCC, Cup stuff what ever (sorry Im not famailiar with other racing formats). We arent discussing the learners at Pod, we are talking about the ranked and recognised events, yet people still connect them Chavvy, fraud, not motorsport, which I dont understand coming from car enthusiasts and people who enjoy, or say they enjoy all types of motorsport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden1989 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 If you are talking about Pod as in the lower end stuff then no, its not pretty too watch, but where did all the current BDC drivers start out, probably at Pod, but by the same token would you really want to watch some two bit race car have its first outting with a new to the scene race driver behind the wheel driving around say a no named race track, no because that would be boring, yes the beginnner stuff in any line of motorsport is boring, but Im talking about the BDC/EDC/Pro Drift/D1 stuff Vs other area of motorsport, BTCC, Cup stuff what ever (sorry Im not famailiar with other racing formats). We arent discussing the learners at Pod, we are talking about the ranked and recognised events, yet people still connect them Chavvy, fraud, not motorsport, which I dont understand coming from car enthusiasts and people who enjoy, or say they enjoy all types of motorsport stock hatch, BTCC etc is boring to watch (i only watch if rob or his brother are doing it) i have great respect for people who drift (properly) like i said i can appreciate the skill, its something we would both like to get into, it just doesnt make sense when rob comes from a well known racing family pod is chavvy, and like you said i could guess most british guys started off there, but i can imagine the figures for people doing it for one year, giving up, or moving on up the competitive scale to bigger, better competitions like in any sport, you get people who give it a bad reputation and unfortunatly chavs stick in most members minds on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 stock hatch, BTCC etc is boring to watch (i only watch if rob or his brother are doing it) i have great respect for people who drift (properly) like i said i can appreciate the skill, its something we would both like to get into, it just doesnt make sense when rob comes from a well known racing family pod is chavvy, and like you said i could guess most british guys started off there, but i can imagine the figures for people doing it for one year, giving up, or moving on up the competitive scale to bigger, better competitions like in any sport, you get people who give it a bad reputation and unfortunatly chavs stick in most members minds on here But thats the thing, there are no more chavs at a Pod drift day then I have experienced at a Pod Jap day, Chav is more a derogatory word used in todays society then a real assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I love watching drifting, although I'm only interested in Japanese motors for some reason! I appreciate the skill involved and would love to get involved in events etc but from what I gather it's an expensive hobby (same as any other motorsport without sponsorship). Also the supe is a daily driver for me so couldn't afford to have it off the road should I park in an armco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden1989 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 japanese cars are becoming cheaper, so is insurance for them, and with younger people getting better jobs your bound to have chavs buying cars, you see them everywhere regardless off you being at a drifting competiton or a japenese car show films such as tokyo drift have influenced young people in maybe wanting to take up drifting, correct me if im wrong but its not a overly hard sport to get into? face it ash, you cant change peoples opinions, but like many have said, they can appreciate talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Jumping into an Aston Martin touring car I might not come anywhere but bottom, but I will make it round and round the track until the finish, You are not comparing like for like, if you jumped into a Aston DBR-9 at race pace you also wouldn't make it around the first corner either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 You are not comparing like for like, if you jumped into a Aston DBR-9 at race pace you also wouldn't make it around the first corner either. My point was I wouldnt be able to race it at race pace, I know I wouldnt, but I bet I could still get in it and make it round a few laps, the skill required to drive it round is far less, as long as you brake early and dont take the car through the corner at race speed, you'll come out the other side...... Drifting you cant take that easy approach, you have to know what to do Still I am enjoying this whole debate, on here, on Driftworks and on PistonHeads, its interesting to see how people view it, I just think its a shame when like has been said before, that maybe preconceived views are taken from things maybe like Tokyo drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 This is a shame from the only Supra currently being drifted within the BDC/EDC events I believe (or until I start flying the flag for drifting a 2JZ) http://www.driftworks.com/forum/914511-post112.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 .....the skill required to drive it round is far less, as long as you brake early and dont take the car through the corner at race speed, you'll come out the other side...... Yeah, but that's not "doing it properly". Not going at race speed is the racers equivalent of saying you're doing drifting but not actually getting the car off line at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yeah, but that's not "doing it properly". Not going at race speed is the racers equivalent of saying you're doing drifting but not actually getting the car off line at all. We are now arguing about a moo point, this wasnt was I was debating to start with so I'll hold my hands up now, Im wrong and completely off topic I just thought maybe PH was a small minority and that other car/race enthusiasts would still hold a different opinion, but it appears the masses say the same, which doesnt bother me, what I have learnt in the past year has easily exceeded what I have learnt in the past 7 years with the Supra, still feels a far more superior car out on the road though and really cant wait till one day when I can start drifting a Supra. I have been keeping it quiet but I passed my BDC licence on Saturday so will be competing in the BDC Championship in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 We are now arguing about a moo point http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/HappyCow.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 We are now arguing about a moo point, this wasnt was I was debating to start with so I'll hold my hands up now, Im wrong and completely off topic I just thought maybe PH was a small minority and that other car/race enthusiasts would still hold a different opinion, but it appears the masses say the same, which doesnt bother me, what I have learnt in the past year has easily exceeded what I have learnt in the past 7 years with the Supra, still feels a far more superior car out on the road though and really cant wait till one day when I can start drifting a Supra. I have been keeping it quiet but I passed my BDC licence on Saturday so will be competing in the BDC Championship in 2009. The General Motorsport forum tends to be occupied my the more mainstream sporty types, both participants and spectators, marshalls and armchair experts, the response in General Gassing would have been softer as it has a younger, more open minded user base (it also has more than it's fair share of tw@ts lately) but the opposite is true in the other motorsport sub-forums which is populated by the die hards. I don't think many would dismiss the skill required (this being evident when PH is at Brunters the VBomb M5 comes out to play with huge arcing drifts to applause and laughter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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