Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Question for you. I am currently having business cards, flyers and a website made for my new detailing business. I have come across certain images on the internet which i would like to use for certain areas of this. Im not talking about showing other peoples images and pretending they are mine, not at all, but if i wanted a particular vehicle/boat to be used on the front page of the site, used on a business card, flyer etc. Whatever is in the picture would be removed, ie background, but would like to use certain parts of images. If i have no idea where they have come from or who took the pics, can they be used? Its purely that ive found some very good images and could use them along the top banner for example. Any ideas welcome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The honest answer is I believe is you can't use them legally without the photographers permission. A photographer can confirm though, but sure the answer is no I am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Do they not need to have a copyright symbol on them for them to be 'protected' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 In short, no I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What are the chances of being caught? Practically zero. And if so, is anyone really going to sue you? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What are the chances of being caught? Practically zero. And if so, is anyone really going to sue you? I doubt it. Agree, but the worst thing you want is your business becomes very successful and someone gets hold of your first flyer and says..."hang on,... thats photo is mine!". £$£$£ Courts - A gamble I wouldn't take personally. I would however take your abflug bonnet if you change your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 that was my thoughts to. Its not like im displaying a picture and saying, this is an example of my cleaning ability, i have my own pictures for that. Purely as an example.. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ferrari/Hamann-Ferrari-599-GTB-manu-07_04-1024.jpg Could the car be photoshopped away from the back ground and placed as part of a banner, like the aston is in this.. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.2dayblog.com/images/6-novitec-ferrari-f430.jpg&imgrefurl=http://carwallpapers01.blogspot.com/2008_07_24_archive.html&usg=__K0D-8z2D_AKrt7Ix0rGbBuhs-rI=&h=307&w=450&sz=131&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=xGw2y9gOo62IBM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dferrari%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den Just an example so i can make my point clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 i would however take your abflug bonnet if you change your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I guess you could get away with that. Be very difficult for them to notice not alone prove you didn't take the photo yourself in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Why not just ask permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Would be happy to Lee but most of the pictures im finding i have no idea how i would contact the owner. Would i need to use WHOIS to see who owns the domain and contact the administrator that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Another example http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/aston-martin-dbr9-111.jpg Would i contact someone at all car wall papers to use any of theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawby Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yep, just contact the owner of the site. They should either be the copyright owner and can grant you permission to copy them, or they should know who the owner is and can give you their details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Ok, thanks Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Agree, but the worst thing you want is your business becomes very successful and someone gets hold of your first flyer and says..."hang on,... thats photo is mine!". £$£$£ Courts - A gamble I wouldn't take personally. I would however take your abflug bonnet if you change your mind OK you can have it (seeing as I don't have one anyway ) If you want to be legit, why not search an online picture library and buy from them. I have done this many times myself, and have found Corbis to be the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Try http://www.dreamstime.com - very cheap images. DO NOT steal somebody elses - it is a breach of copyright and is just not cricket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkei Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 You may find that if the owner of the photograph knows you want to use their picture to promote your business (even if it's only for a flyer) then they my want paying for the use of their images. They might be kind enough to let you use if for free though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonkin Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 Cheers guys, i'll make a choice on some pics and see who i can contact to check. Would rather be safe than sorry later down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Any images that are on wikipedia are free for anyone to use as I had to sign(tick) a disclaimer to say that anyone could use my picture and that it was my own work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keener Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The photos you've linked to as examples are all professionally shot. Any pro photographer will protect their copyright rigorously and would come after you if they found out. You don't need a copyright symbol visible for the image to be protected. Basically every image is protected by copyright laws and a repro fee could be demanded/negotiated. The copyright is owned by whoever pressed the button on the camera to take the shot unless the commissioning client has purchased the copyright from the photographer. In either case they could sue you for a repro fee or breach of copyright. The only way round this is to use pictures you've comissioned yourself or bought from a picture library or that you know are free for anyone to use. Anything other than this could be a minefield for you legally. See items 1 and 3 at http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright for more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I just took my own photos for when I did my cards, that way you don't have to worry about a thing it did happen to be a ferrari too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The pictures you linked too are high end cars, are you trying to convey a certain image for the business ? Or is it just for a nice banner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 btw, will you be getting a premises for your detailing or going mobile? I'm doing the same but from a premises and tbh it really aint cheap! I think I should have went mobile first then raised funds to get a premises I'm going mobile in the new year hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What are the chances of being caught? Practically zero. And if so, is anyone really going to sue you? I doubt it. One of my clients thought that. Big mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens747 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Why not try and fined some photo's on Flickr.com all the fotos have the originator and I'm sure u can ask permission before you use them. And as there are thousands of fotos to choose from I'm sure you'll find something there. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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