Are you BNP?

[Mike]

And how is that different from the current main political parties which have said the BNP is bad??

 

Sorry Gav, perhaps I wasn't extreme enough with the comment - (as I'm sure you know) extreme right wing parties believe in a dictatorship i.e. no democracy.

 

I'm sure Labour would rather the Torrie's changed their views and voted for them and vice versa, but this is on a slightly different scale.... erm like Hitler?!

[tbourner]

but this is on a slightly different scale.... erm like Hitler?!

 

You think the BNP are like Hitler!

[Mike]

You think the BNP are like Hitler!

 

Trev, sorry mate but with all due respect if you don't know what I'm getting at i.e extreme right wing politics, i.e Hitler and the Nazis... I have to say I'm a little shocked.

 

The first step is 'foreigners taking our jobs' etc. to get people to vote for them, after that it's 'agree with me or get in the gas chamber' and we have no democracy.

 

It might sound like a huge leap, but this is how it starts, with ordinary people like you rationalising this rubbish.

 

Sorry if I sound patronising

[AndrewOW]

They seem to think they can put some positive spin on all this though...

 

Makes you wonder if the "leak" was done for PR reasons.

 

 

Bugger. That was exactly what I was thinking.

 

Maybe it was a 'controlled' publicity stunt to show that they aren't a party of neo-nazi's and skinheads, but relatively 'normal' racists and bigots instead. Maybe just to help with some recruitment.

 

They still won't get my support!

[Paul]

What if I, as an employer, sacked someone because I found he was a Muslim, who was a member of an extremist Islamic party, would I be within the law? I can't help thinking that the law bias's itself toward anti right wing views, more than left wing.

 

Exactly what so called intelligent people commenting on here should be thinking.

'If' the BNP are as crap as all the comments are suggesting then why are people and the press so wound up about them? Being a democracy in this country would surely be enough to get rid of them but instead they get more votes all the time?

Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems are all full of pervs, kiddie fiddlers and con men yet people are happy to vote them in and they get nothing like the sort of bad press these lot get

[Tannhauser]

They still won't get my support!

 

The BNP are seen as outside mainstream politics and as such, I can't see them attracting anyone with serious political credentials as a candidate. If they somehow got elected - on a platform of restricting immigration etc - I think you would have a party of third rate minds that would be clueless on all the other major issues facing the country.

 

I'm not saying that anyone who agrees with their policies is necessarily a third rate mind (though I have certain views on that), just that no politician worth his salt is going to go within a million miles of them, so they don't really have a talented pool of people to draw on and therefore are not credible as a potential government.

[Paul]

The BNP are seen as outside mainstream politics and as such, I can't see them attracting anyone with serious political credentials as a candidate. If they somehow got elected - on a platform of restricting immigration etc - I think you would have a party of third rate minds that would be clueless on all the other major issues facing the country.

 

Like the Respect party targetting certain communities in the UK? But that's OK though.

[Chris Wilson]

How are the BNP getting finance?

[Tannhauser]

Like the Respect party targetting certain communities in the UK?

 

Possibly. I know even less about them than I do about the BNP. Maybe it's my prejudices, but I see all of these sorts of parties as one-trick ponies. I find it hard to believe that they have any serious views on anything outside of their particular area of interest.

 

For example, where would the BNP get anyone who had a wealth of background knowledge of, and experience in, foreign policy? Or the Green Party, for that matter.

 

I'm by no means convinced my argument is correct, but it is something that occurs to me about small, radical parties.

[Konrad]

How are the BNP getting finance?

 

From third rate minds (by Tannhauser)? I feel sorry for people who support them for their "moon on stick" ideas and wishes. How many of their supporters thought about "what then after throwing those evil immigrants out? and everyone who does not look or sound like white british?".

When I see some of those comments, I seriously can draw picture of people like Paul walking around and "checking" people in "V for Vendetta" Fingermen style.

[bigcol]

How are the BNP getting finance?

 

From looking at their website i can see that to become a member is £30, a "gold" member (where you get to wear a gold badge:search: is £60, "family" membership is £40, and student/oap is £15 (i think) paid on an annual basis.

Then you can join the "trafalger club" where you pay a subscription of £15 a month and you get a tie and an invite to the annual dinner, plus donations as well so that must bring in a fair bit of revenue.

Not being a member of any party and unsure (no doubt someone will put me right) I dont know of any other party that you have to pay for annual membership.

As for the idea of "all the foreigners taking our jobs" part well, to be honest, and feel free to moan at me if it makes you feel better, in the industy i work in (well the practical side not training) security, i know firms that have a 75% asian workforce, the reason for this is simple all are on minimum wage and most brits have the " i wouldnt get out of bed for that attitude". When i worked as supervisor for a large sports company in Wigan (cant name names but Wigan football team's stadium shares the same name:d) in our head office/distribution center all the safety and information signs were in Polish, because the recruitment agency only employed Polish people (over 300 of them), because 1) they were happy on minimum wage 2) they didnt moan about overtime 3) they worked twice as hard as most of us 4) none of them were allowed to join the company union because they were temp agency staff and could be got rid of at the drop of a hat.

Basically exploiting people has been the british way for hundreds of years.

What should be outlawed is the social security "culture" we have had here for years, lets face it we all know the stories about come to Britain for free EVERYTHING well yes it happens, I know cos my mother used to be a senior supervisor for the dole office and every week the immigrants would come in and sign on and basically bleed the system dry claiming for everything and anything, and on a few occasions the staff have seen them park taxi's outside, sign on then continue taxi driving BUT if they were ever questioned about it they reverted back to either "no speaky engleesh" or accused them of being racist:Pling:

But how can you feel that this country looks after "its own" when trying to get money from the dole is like blood from a stone, Mrs Col lost her job about 5 months ago went to make a claim and got £zero because we had lived in Ireland for 2 years and had no tax records in the UK for those paricular years so they said she could have her stamp paid but would recieve no money, so until she found another job (last week) we have lived on 1 wage, so to be honest I can see where the idea one rule for one, one rule for another does apply to us Brits, everyone nowadays is too damn scared of beign called a racist and a lot of the "foreign nationals" know this and use it to their advantage to milk the system, however not all "foreigners" are bad they just get tarred with the same brush, lets face it there are enough brits living and workind abroad (working being the operative word), no other country would give us dole money and free housing and free healthcare if we moved. This country is too soft and I dont know any political party who could ever change it now....

lets all become communists:d

[michael]

From looking at their website i can see that to become a member is £30, a "gold" member (where you get to wear a gold badge:search: is £60, "family" membership is £40, and student/oap is £15 (i think) paid on an annual basis.

Then you can join the "trafalger club" where you pay a subscription of £15 a month and you get a tie and an invite to the annual dinner, plus donations as well so that must bring in a fair bit of revenue.

Not being a member of any party and unsure (no doubt someone will put me right) I dont know of any other party that you have to pay for annual membership.

As for the idea of "all the foreigners taking our jobs" part well, to be honest, and feel free to moan at me if it makes you feel better, in the industy i work in (well the practical side not training) security, i know firms that have a 75% asian workforce, the reason for this is simple all are on minimum wage and most brits have the " i wouldnt get out of bed for that attitude". When i worked as supervisor for a large sports company in Wigan (cant name names but Wigan football team's stadium shares the same name:d) in our head office/distribution center all the safety and information signs were in Polish, because the recruitment agency only employed Polish people (over 300 of them), because 1) they were happy on minimum wage 2) they didnt moan about overtime 3) they worked twice as hard as most of us 4) none of them were allowed to join the company union because they were temp agency staff and could be got rid of at the drop of a hat.

Basically exploiting people has been the british way for hundreds of years.

What should be outlawed is the social security "culture" we have had here for years, lets face it we all know the stories about come to Britain for free EVERYTHING well yes it happens, I know cos my mother used to be a senior supervisor for the dole office and every week the immigrants would come in and sign on and basically bleed the system dry claiming for everything and anything, and on a few occasions the staff have seen them park taxi's outside, sign on then continue taxi driving BUT if they were ever questioned about it they reverted back to either "no speaky engleesh" or accused them of being racist:Pling:

But how can you feel that this country looks after "its own" when trying to get money from the dole is like blood from a stone, Mrs Col lost her job about 5 months ago went to make a claim and got £zero because we had lived in Ireland for 2 years and had no tax records in the UK for those paricular years so they said she could have her stamp paid but would recieve no money, so until she found another job (last week) we have lived on 1 wage, so to be honest I can see where the idea one rule for one, one rule for another does apply to us Brits, everyone nowadays is too damn scared of beign called a racist and a lot of the "foreign nationals" know this and use it to their advantage to milk the system, however not all "foreigners" are bad they just get tarred with the same brush, lets face it there are enough brits living and workind abroad (working being the operative word), no other country would give us dole money and free housing and free healthcare if we moved. This country is too soft and I dont know any political party who could ever change it now....

lets all become communists:d

 

Racist

[bigcol]

Racist

 

:rlol: I was waiting for that:d

[tbourner]

the recruitment agency only employed Polish people (over 300 of them), because 1) they were happy on minimum wage 2) they didnt moan about overtime 3) they worked twice as hard as most of us 4) none of them were allowed to join the company union because they were temp agency staff and could be got rid of at the drop of a hat.

 

I thought the BNP types weren't against people working here? I'm not, I was really annoyed when a group of Russians got deported from our place, cos they were bloody good!!

What I don't like is people sponging, whether British or immigrant. That's why our policies suggested you only get dole money for 2 weeks (IIRC) then you get forced into a minimum wage job. If you quit the job you're on your own. If people come here they have to live by those rules.

The other idea was to have a similar thing to other countries, where you can't just turn up you need to live here for a certain amount of time before you become a 'citizen', maybe you have to have a certain amount of money (Canada?), or you have to have a job to come to (US?). I'm far from political enough to understand any repercussions of our feeble plans though.

[Gaz6002]

I had to laugh about the guys saying things to the effect of "at least they don't have people who hold positions of authority".

 

GLA employees not high enough for you?

[marbleapple]

extreme right wing parties believe in a dictatorship i.e. no democracy.

 

 

I'm going to put my 2 pence in although I'll either be shouted down or ignored.

 

I was watching the news last night about how the the present government and 3 main parties are concerned that more people might start voting for the BNP in the present financial climate and thus want to pass a law to prevent members of such parties holding any position of power.

 

I don't understand why in a democracy the government are allowed to try limit peoples ability to join a political party. In my opinion the government should be looking at why people are voting and try address the issue itself. The attempt to limit people's free choice to join a party (irrespective of which party it is) appears to me more anti-democratic than the BNP (who I can't stand either).

 

This country is meant to be democratic and thus people should be free to be affiliated with whichever party they wish. I don't understand why the police can say they wont recruit BNP members... just because you are a member does not mean that you are racist...

[Mike]

I give up.

[marbleapple]

I give up.

 

Sorry Gav, perhaps I wasn't extreme enough with the comment - (as I'm sure you know) extreme right wing parties believe in a dictatorship i.e. no democracy.

 

 

If your government prevents people from joining a political party just how democratic is that government? - Last government I can think of that did it successfully was one run by a German who didn't like Jews

[Mike]

If your government prevents people from joining a political party just how democratic is that government? - Last government I can think of that did it successfully was one run by a German who didn't like Jews

 

That wasn't what I was 'giving up' on... and it's kind of ironic (and worrying) that you might use Hitler as an example.

 

It was you're insightful comment that tipped me over the edge;

 

I don't understand why the police can say they wont recruit BNP members... just because you are a member does not mean that you are racist...

 

Even Trev has sorted this one out.

 

I would oppose any law that tried to control who I could vote for. I absolutely believe in free speech. However I think the BNP need to be shown up for the bigots and racists that they are. Please don't kid yourself that this is a credible Political Party.

[JustGav]

If your government prevents people from joining a political party just how democratic is that government? - Last government I can think of that did it successfully was one run by a German who didn't like Jews

 

Don't forget the democratic government in Zimbabwe... (And hitler was Austrian )

[Mike]

When did I say I support a government who would prevent people from supporting other parties anyway?

 

Have you actually read my posts?

[tbourner]

Even Trev has sorted this one out.

 

I'm standing right here!!!

 

[Mike]

I'm standing right here!!!

 

 

Sorry Trev

[tbourner]

This country is meant to be democratic and thus people should be free to be affiliated with whichever party they wish.

 

A true democracy would never work anyway, people are too greedy. There has to be some level of control over the people by the government (which means telling them what they can and can't do on occasion). Imagine if you left every decision to public vote!! We'd have 3 years of no income tax to pay and guaranteed 5% pay rises, then we'd all suffocate under our own rubbish!

[Tannhauser]

A true democracy would never work anyway, people are too greedy. There has to be some level of control over the people by the government (which means telling them what they can and can't do on occasion). Imagine if you left every decision to public vote!! We'd have 3 years of no income tax to pay and guaranteed 5% pay rises, then we'd all suffocate under our own rubbish!

 

Agreed. Democracies can only function by people electing representatives who have the technical know-how to address the problems.

 

I've just finished reading Eric Hobsbawm's Democracy, Terrorism and Globalisation One thing he points out is that the media now play a much larger role in political life. The media scrutinises what politicians do powerfully and then comments on it, shaping public opinion. Therefore, a principal concern of government is now 'what will the front page look like in tomorrow's paper?" In some ways, this means things have got steadily more democratic, in that governments are more sensitive to public opinion than in days gone by.

 

However, it also means that they have to constantly seen to be governing - they have to be very visibly doing things. Unfortunately, at the same time, the growing interconnectedness of the world means that they have less power over local conditions than ever.

 

The upshot is that western governments do an awful lot of ineffectual tinkering and legislation to justify their power, which in the past might have been considered unnecessary.