michael Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 http://bnp.org.uk/ isn't very healthy tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 There are plenty of city jobs that pay way more than the average MP earns Agreed - I think they are in it for the ability to wield power over the "little people" then Because I'm fairly sure it's not to make the world a better place! -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 soon everything is going to be all right and all the hard work you have done for years and years, laying the foundations, is going to bring us out above ground, where we can stand up and be counted. It was your hard work, and that of other frontline troopers - we should never forget that, or take it for granted once we do become accepted. Please don't have nightmares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Agreed - I think they are in it for the ability to wield power over the "little people" then Because I'm fairly sure it's not to make the world a better place! -Ian Whereas I think exactly the opposite. If you felt strongly that your country had unjust laws, or felt that working people weren't rewarded adequately, or that the educational system was useless, or that traditions were disappearing too quickly, or maybe that traditions were holding the country back - how would you start effecting change? I guess you could become an activist, but that's a route that often leads to little success. I suggest that anyone who has a deep commitment to improving lives on a huge scale has got the biggest chance of doing so by actually trying to run the country. There are plenty of people on here that want to put the country to rights (me included)...except we don't care enough to spend hours studying the complexities of the situation, or want to even hear about the realities faced by people making policy change. In fact, how many on here take a chance by getting involved even in local politics? My guess is very few. It's easier to moan about the problems facing the UK and criticise politicians, to absolutely no effect whatsoever, than to get involved in the process. My point is that part-time idealists blow off some steam on the net, then go back to their jobs. Full time idealists have few options than to put their money where their mouths are and enter into the political system. I'm not claiming that there aren't power crazed politicians and I guess that to excel at an elite level, you've got to feel very comfortable at being in charge. But that's not all there is behind it. Again, if you wanted to run the lives of little people, I would have thought that there were easier ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 good post. Hell yeah. Great post sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7736794.stm In a statement on the BNP website, Mr Griffin said he had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the publication breached human rights and data protection laws. FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME More from Today programme He told the BBC's Today programme the party would be using the Human Rights Act to try to protect the identities of its members, despite the BNP being against the European legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm not claiming that there aren't power crazed politicians and I guess that to excel at an elite level, you've got to feel very comfortable at being in charge. But that's not all there is behind it. Again, if you wanted to run the lives of little people, I would have thought that there were easier ways. Teaching? (I'll get my coat, just passing through.... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7736794.stm Just because someone needs to ask...what have they got to hide? Hmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 If I thought I would lose my job because my employer found out my political beliefs.... I would probably question them myself. These people really are retarded aren't they?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What if I, as an employer, sacked someone because I found he was a Muslim, who was a member of an extremist Islamic party, would I be within the law? I can't help thinking that the law bias's itself toward anti right wing views, more than left wing. I am unsure why I seem to be defending the BNP, anyone serious about their political ambitions that have a web page so disastrously composed isn't likely to go far on the world stage, but it's a matter of principal I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 They seem to think they can put some positive spin on all this though... However, he welcomed the new media interest in the party as a result of the leak because it challenged the idea that the average member of the BNP "was a skinhead oik". "So in terms of repositioning us as a party genuinely made up of ordinary British people from all walks of life that will actually do us good," he said. Makes you wonder if the "leak" was done for PR reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What if I, as an employer, sacked someone because I found he was a Muslim, who was a member of an extremist Islamic party, would I be within the law? I'm sure you would be. Do you have a new farm hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What if I, as an employer, sacked someone because I found he was a Muslim, who was a member of an extremist Islamic party, would I be within the law? I can't help thinking that the law bias's itself toward anti right wing views, more than left wing. I am unsure why I seem to be defending the BNP, anyone serious about their political ambitions that have a web page so disastrously composed isn't likely to go far on the world stage, but it's a matter of principal I feel. Fully agree, while I don't agree with BNP policies on a whole, is it not the right of a person to choose who they align themselves with politically? Or is it case of witch-hunt those who disagree with a particular doctrine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm sure you would be. Do you have a new farm hand? No, but it reminds me of the very none PC joke, "What do you call twenty Negroes working in a field?" Answers on a post card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm here!!!!! I don't think I'm on the list though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm liking the jousting idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Why would you lose your job for being a member of the BNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Fully agree, while I don't agree with BNP policies on a whole, is it not the right of a person to choose who they align themselves with politically? Or is it case of witch-hunt those who disagree with a particular doctrine? That's right, but if they got into power they would (presumably for a right wing party) oppose democracy and ostracise anyone who didn't fully support them? so why should we listen to their racism and pretend they have the right to spout this rubbish? if the boot was on the other foot we'd all be rounded up and god knows what - I doubt they'd be extending our right to have an opinion. Which is why this stuff needs to be taken seriously and needs to be stamped out. Anyone who bases a political judgement on race is fundamentally wrong. The immigration card is always a favourite for them but when I look around in my home town of Middlesbrough all I see if Asian people (immigrants from the sixties perhaps?) running businesses etc. while 'white English' people sit on their arse in council houses and claim benefits. I think a lot of the people who are so vigilant against 'the immigrants' and them 'taking our jobs' are basically lazy people who will look for any excuse not to have to work for a living. ..and I don't really buy the 'Eastern European' gangs terrorising Margate or wherever... grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 BNP Not just Policemen apparently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Why would you lose your job for being a member of the BNP? You wouldn't, but some of the people on the list were scared that this 'might 'happen... lots of courage in their conviction there then!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 You wouldn't, but some of the people on the list were scared that this 'might 'happen... lots of courage in their conviction there then!? Well exactly! It goes to show how much of a bad rep the BNP have (rightly or wrongly), that being in support of a particular political party might lose you your job!! Anyone who bases a political judgement on race is fundamentally wrong. The immigration card is always a favourite for them but when I look around in my home town of Middlesbrough all I see if Asian people (immigrants from the sixties perhaps?) running businesses etc. while 'white English' people sit on their arse in council houses and claim benefits. I've gone off my own racist ideals now (disclaimer: they were never racist, just patriotic. ahem.), I think we should wipe out 20% of every race and type of person instead, that should sort out some of the worlds problems. Mass genecide is clearly the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (disclaimer: they were never racist, just patriotic. ahem.), I think we should wipe out 20% of every race and type of person instead, that should sort out some of the worlds problems. Mass genecide is clearly the way forward. probably not just racist - more like naziest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 probably not just racist - more like naziest Godwins!! *imminent thread death* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 You wouldn't, but some of the people on the list were scared that this 'might 'happen... lots of courage in their conviction there then!? Depends on your job. Bob Smith the accountant is probably safe but Joanne Bloggs the teacher is in for a hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 That's right, but if they got into power they would (presumably for a right wing party) oppose democracy and ostracise anyone who didn't fully support them? so why should we listen to their racism and pretend they have the right to spout this rubbish? if the boot was on the other foot we'd all be rounded up and god knows what - I doubt they'd be extending our right to have an opinion. And how is that different from the current main political parties which have said the BNP is bad?? Anyone who bases a political judgement on race is fundamentally wrong. The immigration card is always a favourite for them but when I look around in my home town of Middlesbrough all I see if Asian people (immigrants from the sixties perhaps?) running businesses etc. while 'white English' people sit on their arse in council houses and claim benefits. I think a lot of the people who are so vigilant against 'the immigrants' and them 'taking our jobs' are basically lazy people who will look for any excuse not to have to work for a living. ..and I don't really buy the 'Eastern European' gangs terrorising Margate or wherever... grow up. On the above point I fully agree, the so called migrant workers are taking the jobs which the fat lazy brits can't be bothered to do because the social pays them too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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