carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 A change in diet may help this. How much fruit and veg do you eat? As you get older your body can cope less well without the required nutrients. I would go on to a higher fibre diet with more fruit and veg. Old people dont actually enjoy eating Fruit and Fibre or All Bran, they do it because they have to really. It may be you have reached that time in your life when you have to eat ALL the right things and very few wrong things. I will happily try this, but sometimes it seems hard to eat healthily. I had peas with my toad in the hole last night, and I ate all my cauliflower, broccoli and something else with the Sunday lunch, but other than that not many/any fruit and veg since. Baked beans don't count I suppose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I do think my right ear is still not right inside though, and look what Wikipedia says.. I'm feeling positive now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinthitis Labyrinthitis and anxiety Chronic anxiety is a common side effect of labyrinthitis which can produce tremors, heart palpitations, panic attacks and depression. Often a panic attack is one of the first symptoms to occur as labyrinthitis begins. While dizziness can occur from extreme anxiety, labyrinthitis itself can precipitate a panic disorder. Three models have been proposed to explain the relationship between vestibular dysfunction and panic disorder:[2] Psychosomatic model: vestibular dysfunction which occurs as a result of anxiety. Somatopsychic model: panic disorder triggered by misinterpreted internal stimuli (e.g., stimuli from vestibular dysfunction), that are interpreted as signifying imminent physical danger. Heightened sensitivity to vestibular sensations leads to increased anxiety and, through conditioning, drives the development of panic disorder. Network alarm theory: panic which involves noradrenergic, serotonergic, and other connected neuronal systems. According to this theory, panic can be triggered by stimuli that set off a false alarm via afferents to the locus ceruleus, which then triggers the neuronal network. This network is thought to mediate anxiety and includes limbic, midbrain and prefrontal areas. Vestibular dysfunction in the setting of increased locus ceruleus sensitivity may be a potential trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I can usually get rid of it by changing something - usually just standing up and walking around for a bit. If I get it when standing up I just need to go somewhere else (which is tricky a lot of the time). I never get it when driving, and it goes when I stop thinking about it (again, very difficult when it's there!). This is what you need to do. Speak to your boss and explain the situation and that sometimes even in a meeting or on a phone call, whatever you may need to just get up and walk out. As soon as you get any of the warning signs get up and go. You know it passes so chill about it, you're not going mad. It's more common than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 A change in diet may help this. How much fruit and veg do you eat? Not sure if that was aimed at me or Carl0s, but I tend to eat quite well. Last night we had toad in the hole and mixed veg. Day before was tuna neapolitana! I have breakfast (either toast or cereal) and regular lunches. My main problem is I don't get enough exercise, and I know it's a great stress reliever so I really need to get out and do something. My toe has been stopping me before but now I've had the op and it's healing I don't have any more excuses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I keep feeling like I'm cross-eyed too. Basically my symptoms are sickness, slightly duff ear, hypersensitivity to sounds/noises/whining/fans.. I'm turning everything off.. dimmer switches not on full, dvd players with disks left in them spinning, etc. But when I'm driving, I'm aware that I feel like I'm going totally cross-eyed. Like I'm frowning x100000 or something. So then I try to un-frown/uncross and it's sort of OK but not right. I hope and reckon it's just my ear causing it, and I need to get some contacts 'cause I only wear my glasses for driving, and basically can't see very well other than that so all the work that I do on computers is squinted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Last night we had toad in the hole Snap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 This is what you need to do. Speak to your boss and explain the situation and that sometimes even in a meeting or on a phone call, whatever you may need to just get up and walk out. As soon as you get any of the warning signs get up and go. You know it passes so chill about it, you're not going mad. It's more common than you think. Got the weekly meeting today, and I've had a headache all last night and this morning - not sure if it's related but it probably is. It's horrible because the meeting is only about 6 people, all people I see and joke about with every day, nothing stressful goes on, nothing I'm worried about, so why all the panic!!! Damn my head!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Got the weekly meeting today, and I've had a headache all last night and this morning - not sure if it's related but it probably is. It's horrible because the meeting is only about 6 people, all people I see and joke about with every day, nothing stressful goes on, nothing I'm worried about, so why all the panic!!! Damn my head!! Try taking 3 minutes with a small bag (breathing into). They say to use a paper bag, but I use plastic ones if that's all I can find that's small enough. It generally does calm you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Bottom line is you need to eliminate that there is a physical cause, and if not then give yourself a break and try to get out of the worry cycle that you have created. You can do it, this isn't something that you'll have for the rest of your life. Power of the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Re the stress attacks Could I suggest you try something random - for instance these symptoms can also be caused by too much caffeine - cut out all coffee and try redbush tea for a while... The other useful thing might be to try 'Kalms' with natural Valarian root (purported to work better then prozac family of drugs on some people) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I bet they've been putting something in the water to make us all forget the economic climate and be happy and spend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs H Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I've suffered from panic attacks on and off for about 10 years. The first bout started when I was about 21, it was horrible and they came at least a couple of times a week for a period of about 12 months. I started getting the attacks because I was worrying about having another one...if that makes sense. GP was useless. I used Kalms and St Johns Wort to get me though. Mine have recently returned, after not having them a good few years. They are always triggered by periods of stress, usually at work. Symptoms range from palpitations, feeling like you going to pass out and physically shaking. I re-cognise the signs now and can usually fend them off with distractions or slow breathing. I'm really glad of this thread now I now I'm not the only mentalist:D Vicki x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I know I'm not the only mentalist:D Vicki x You can be sure of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Try taking 3 minutes with a small bag (breathing into). They say to use a paper bag, but I use plastic ones if that's all I can find that's small enough. It generally does calm you down. I've been reading up on breathing, the idea of taking 5 second in breath and 8 second out breath is to keep more CO2 in your system. CO2 is a relaxant whereas Oxygen makes you alert (which is bad when anxious!). So the bag idea works in the same way, keeping more CO2 in your system with the intention of calming you down. I do practice the breathing and it does work a bit, but not as much as I'd like it to!! Bottom line is you need to eliminate that there is a physical cause, and if not then give yourself a break and try to get out of the worry cycle that you have created. You can do it, this isn't something that you'll have for the rest of your life. Power of the mind. Going for my Ultrasound ECG next week, so after that hopefully I can talk to the doc about non-physical causes. Mine have recently returned, after not having them a good few years. They are always triggered by periods of stress, usually at work. Symptoms range from palpitations, feeling like you going to pass out and physically shaking. I re-cognise the signs now and can usually fend them off with distractions or slow breathing. I'm really glad of this thread now I now I'm not the only mentalist:D Vicki x Mine don't seem to be linked to much though, like I said it's non stressful situations where they come up, so it's all in the mind!! I'm not sure if mine has been caused by the stressful stuff in my life or not though, maybe in dealing with the stressful stuff some of the mundane things have become an anxiety! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Oh, BTW, meeting went OK, in the end I made sure I spoke up more than normal, making sarcy jokes and stuff, kept my mind off it and it was much better than last week - I didn't feel like I had to get up and walk out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Oh, BTW, meeting went OK, in the end I made sure I spoke up more than normal, making sarcy jokes and stuff, kept my mind off it and it was much better than last week - I didn't feel like I had to get up and walk out!! Good I nearly ran out the door at the missus' dad's house on Sunday when we were eating Sunday lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Do you have BUPA or such health benefit at work btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliAl Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I went through a patch of panic attacks a few years ago. Lucky for me they just stopped. The worst part for me was the feeling of losing my mind, I actually felt like was going insane when the panic attacks were in full flow. My main trigger was caffeine. This stuff sent me straight to looneyVille and to this day I still watch my caffeine intake. The doctor also prescribed me Beta Blockers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I've suffered from panic attacks on and off for about 10 years. The first bout started when I was about 21, it was horrible and they came at least a couple of times a week for a period of about 12 months. I started getting the attacks because I was worrying about having another one...if that makes sense. GP was useless. I used Kalms and St Johns Wort to get me though. Mine have recently returned, after not having them a good few years. They are always triggered by periods of stress, usually at work. Symptoms range from palpitations, feeling like you going to pass out and physically shaking. I re-cognise the signs now and can usually fend them off with distractions or slow breathing. I'm really glad of this thread now I now I'm not the only mentalist:D Vicki x your def not alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 The worst part for me was the feeling of losing my mind, I actually felt like was going insane when the panic attacks were in full flow. I can relate to that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 It's the different ways that it manifests itself that are most interesting, often people don't even realise they are having a panic attack. Other drugs also have an effect, recreational but also medicinal - like for girls, contraceptive pills can mess with you. They are quite evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Do you have BUPA or such health benefit at work btw? I can but never registered for it. Don't you have to pay an excess each year if you use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I don't know about your policy etc but the BUPA cover I have seems really good, pays for my dental checks, eye checks and was speaking to someone about this kinda thing and apparently they have claimed fully for CBT, which, if you can on yours might well be worth looking into. I don't pay anything, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I can but never registered for it. Don't you have to pay an excess each year if you use it? If you're not yet registered, they probably won't cover you for pre-existing issues, at least during an introductory period. But, it's still well worth signing up for if your employer offers it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 for girls, contraceptive pills can mess with you. They are quite evil. They are aren't they? Any other medication that you could take to help with side effects of the pill will probably then stop it from working anyway. It's great being a bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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