JustGav Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 LTSP, doesn't use VNC (except for admining/watching the clients), it uses Xwindow protocol with SSH, hence the reason I was so suprised by the smoothness of the video. Bear in mind when I say it plays smoothly, I mean properly smoothly and not dropping frames. I gave up using VNC/RDP/ICA variants because of the simple fact that they can't seem to handle flash videos without the requirement of some extra software (speedscreen that sort of thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 LTSP, doesn't use VNC (except for admining/watching the clients), it uses Xwindow protocol with SSH, hence the reason I was so suprised by the smoothness of the video. Bear in mind when I say it plays smoothly, I mean properly smoothly and not dropping frames. I gave up using VNC/RDP/ICA variants because of the simple fact that they can't seem to handle flash videos without the requirement of some extra software (speedscreen that sort of thing). Ah, I was going to ask if it was just ssh X forwarding. I do the same to administer my server. I just do: "ssh -X root@myserver" then when the remote shell prompt comes up I can launch gimp, system-config-network , etc.. Never tried playing videos though X is high bandwidth though, so it doesn't help with remote access. But it is extremely cool to see an app running on another machine look as though it's running locally, with no expensive products making it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I like Vista, dont run it thou well the media center has it. To put it simple, old Sh1t just wont work on it. Fine for home use, sod selling it to business's no mater how much of a pig it is to get holf of preloaded xp machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I like Vista, dont run it thou well the media center has it. To put it simple, old Sh1t just wont work on it. Fine for home use, sod selling it to business's no mater how much of a pig it is to get holf of preloaded xp machines. Once, I've got all my thin clients deployed round the house, my next step is to remove Vista from my media centre, but sadly (and it pains me to say this), VMC is actually a nice bit of software.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Strange isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I've used NX, both the proprietary implementation and FreeNX, and xRDP is better, IMO It's pretty easy to get it going too. NX makes the entire screen look like it's been jpeg-ized, i.e. lossy compression. RDP does a nicer job. RDP clients are everywhere and very light. NX requires an X server on the client. Okay, did a bit of research today and found a version of nx called freenx and installed it on the LTSP. Best way to describe is, it a vnc-equiv for the thin client. On the client side (win32), it installs cygwin with Xserver and the NX libraries. Server is freenx so is free , but runs something called nxproxy which hooks into SSH giving you the tunnel. Seems to be pretty good actually, seemed to work well over the wireless, the only quirk I came across was the fact that when playing a video, the audio came out on the main server. (Probably a setting or two to be tweak). Going to leave it on LTSP and try it over the VPN from work and see how well the compression works and handles latency, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I honestly didn't understand a word of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I honestly didn't understand a word of that Sorry, very geek speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Okay, did a bit of research today and found a version of nx called freenx and installed it on the LTSP. Best way to describe is, it a vnc-equiv for the thin client. On the client side (win32), it installs cygwin with Xserver and the NX libraries. Server is freenx so is free , but runs something called nxproxy which hooks into SSH giving you the tunnel. Seems to be pretty good actually, seemed to work well over the wireless, the only quirk I came across was the fact that when playing a video, the audio came out on the main server. (Probably a setting or two to be tweak). Going to leave it on LTSP and try it over the VPN from work and see how well the compression works and handles latency, It works very well over low bandwidth connections. That's NX's absolute best quality - efficiency. You don't have to use FreeNX to get it for free. Nomachine also give you their proprietary (the original/proper system whose GPL libraries/code FreeNX is wrapped around) NX system for free (to use) as well on a limited number of connections basis. I still think xRDP is a bit more interesting, and besides, NX has been as-is for years now and nobody has taken hold of it and tied it into a distribution or anything. All the distributions still seem to use VNC for "Remote Desktop". At least xRDP is working with the LTSP project. I was blown away by NX when I first tried it, but I still think I'm more impressed to see RDP on X, and as I say, I don't like how NX seems to use lossy compression on text. On images I can understand, but it looks to me like text is jpeg-ized as well (actually the whole screen it looks like sometimes). I know you can alter between PNG compression and all sorts of other stuff, so maybe it's a moot point .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I honestly didn't understand a word of that Me too. I take it that they aren't talking about customers who don't have weight concerns when they mention thin clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Me too. I take it that they aren't talking about customers who don't have weight concerns when they mention thin clients. Sort of like VNC but a much more responsive system... I used thin clients round the house for the kids to use the internet and such. Being a thin client, the PC they use is nothing more than a display, mouse and keyboard, all the actual work takes on a single big PC in the cupboard. It also means in my design, that I only have two systems with physical hard drives, my NAS and my terminal server, the rest all use the network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I still think xRDP is a bit more interesting, and besides, NX has been as-is for years now and nobody has taken hold of it and tied it into a distribution or anything. All the distributions still seem to use VNC for "Remote Desktop". At least xRDP is working with the LTSP project. I may end up looking at xRDP shortly, I have a few wyse 1200LE units which don't support Xwindows, but do ICA/RDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I may end up looking at xRDP shortly, I have a few wyse 1200LE units which don't support Xwindows, but do ICA/RDP. It was extremely easy to get xRDP (through vnc server.. it's OK though trust me ) working. I literally just launched xrdp and sesman from a console and it worked. No services, no config changes (except making sure vncserver was installed). Some brief tips here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Sort of like VNC but a much more responsive system... I used thin clients round the house for the kids to use the internet and such. Being a thin client, the PC they use is nothing more than a display, mouse and keyboard, all the actual work takes on a single big PC in the cupboard. It also means in my design, that I only have two systems with physical hard drives, my NAS and my terminal server, the rest all use the network. The nerd side of you totally missed the joke there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 The nerd side of you totally missed the joke there! Yup, it was late and I was in late night nerd mode Today however, I'm in caveman mode... I have my 1/2 cow rump steak, the grill pan ready for the F1 this afternoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Xp is lovely becuase it is so stable, and I value that above Vista's prettyness. But one day I hope to use vista, partly due to bill gate's genius and humanity. Not just the stability, I think the user interface of Vista is hard to get used to. XP is by far in my opinion the best release from Microsoft....and that is coming from a MAC guy myself. imi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Hmmm, cheers for that, looks VERY interesting... Busy looking through it at the moment. http://www.qumranet.com/products-and-solutions/video-library/27-video-library/82-solid-ice-product-demo Good times ahead for Linux remote desktops? See below. Gotta love Red Hat. The number of billions they have spent buying up technology and then open sourcing it.. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184148/red_hat_open_sources_desktop_application_protocol.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Quick question. I bought this PC about 2 months ago, and it came with Vista. Im not nerdy enough to fully appreciate it i dont think, would i be better off from a performance point of view (in the fact it eats RAM etc) to 'upgrade' to Windows 7? Or is that the equivalent of a 93 Silver Veilside NA auto with a power boost valve and a superchip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Quick question. I bought this PC about 2 months ago, and it came with Vista. Im not nerdy enough to fully appreciate it i dont think, would i be better off from a performance point of view (in the fact it eats RAM etc) to 'upgrade' to Windows 7? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Deffo go with Windows 7 over Vista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sort of on topic - I have XP on my machine. Would it be worth my while upgrading to 7 too? If so, is it a new installation or upgrade over the top of my existing OS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sort of on topic - I have XP on my machine. Would it be worth my while upgrading to 7 too? If so, is it a new installation or upgrade over the top of my existing OS? You can do either CJ. Cleanest is the full install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 And do people think it is worth me changing? If so, where is the cheapest available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris burford Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 And do people think it is worth me changing? If so, where is the cheapest available? Hi ya cj long time no speak buddy, i have literally just finished upgrading from the dreaded vista to 7 and i can say im very impressed, but i would say if your happy with xp stay with it for now as apparently its not as smooth transition from xp to7 as it is from vista. Well worth the 69quid upgrade from vista though allthough i feel it still a rip off that you have to pay to get away from microsofts cockup with vista. cheers chris P.s merry xmas and a supra new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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