RobUK Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 My "Car" week hasn't been great.... started out with Stereo problems..... continued into Speedo/Odometer problems.... I took the car to an Auto Electrician on Friday and they had a look and couldn't find any obvious problems so I booked the car in with them for this coming Monday for a complete diag..... So I went back to work and as I got within a mile the car seemed to loose power...... it was ok at low revs but anything beyond 3k and it struggled...... fortunatly I live a mile from work so drove the car back carefully last night and lifted the bonnet to find petrol squirting out of the hose to the rear left of the engine.... So this morning I took the hose off and got a replacement.... fitted the replacement this afternoon and have spent the rest of the day trying to get the car to start...... I have tried shorting out the diag port to get the fuel flowing but it doesn't seem to make a difference..... Any pointers? I am getting frustrated now..... all this because of a Stereo..... well ok.... the fuel hose doesn't know about the stereo but it does feel like "one of those weeks" Thanks Rob:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Can you give us a picture of the hose you mean? It sounds like the fuel feed line that bolts onto the back of the fuel rail via a banjo bolt. Never heard of one of those leaking before, where was the leak? Damaged hose or out the banjo fitting? If it won't start it's either spark or fuel, so step one would be to run up the fuel system by bridging +B and FP in the diagnostics port with a bit of wire. Do it with the electrics off, and then turn the electrics on (don't try and start the car). You should hear the pump and a swooshing noise of the fuel system running. It's surprisingly loud without engine noise. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Ian, thanks for the reply..... attached are pictures showing the 2 ends where the hose connected and also a picture of the engine with red circles to indicate the positions of the ends... The hose ends had perished..... as a last attempt to fix this i took the original hose and simply cut it back to get rid of the split..... at this point i was happy to try anything!! Any suggestions welcome! Thanks Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hi Ian, Just read your post again..... I have already done the FP & +B to get the fuel flowing.... i was able to hear the fuel moving.... Confused.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 BUMP! Anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 AAARGH That's an FSE valve Bin it. That's the source of all your fuel problems right there. They are reknown for, ahaha, leaking and spraying fuel all over your engine bay. Also I had one years back which almost blew my engine up because it cut the fuel supply back while on boost, luckily it was so bad combustion stopped and the car misfired rather than it detonating to death due to a lean mix. It also almightily cocks up your fuelling and is utterly utterly pointless. I can't emphasise how much you need to junk that crapulous thing and revert the fuel system to stock. Do a search on here for "FSE valve" and have a read. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 AAARGH That's an FSE valve Bin it. That's the source of all your fuel problems right there. They are reknown for, ahaha, leaking and spraying fuel all over your engine bay. Also I had one years back which almost blew my engine up because it cut the fuel supply back while on boost, luckily it was so bad combustion stopped and the car misfired rather than it detonating to death due to a lean mix. It also almightily cocks up your fuelling and is utterly utterly pointless. I can't emphasise how much you need to junk that crapulous thing and revert the fuel system to stock. Do a search on here for "FSE valve" and have a read. -Ian Or buy a better FPR. FSEs have been known to break for several reasons, unless the insides are screwed it should still start though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Also, if the photos you've put up are of how it is now, then please redo the jubilee clip on the fuel rail as that needs to be more secure than that, or the pipe will perish and come off. The clip should be as close the machined alloy section as possible, not hanging dangerously near the end, you can even see what looks like damage to the pipe in the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Yes that is a rather poorly attached hose, I stopped looking after recognising the FSE in the thumbnail A.n.other FPR that does 1:1 pressure would indeed be fine, like an aeromotive or something, but don't expect it to give you any power or anything over stock. It just might be slightly more financially viable now that the (expensive) stock bits are junked in favour of that thing Oh and it'll be a nice anodised colour as well. But do plumb it in properly. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) Hi Ian/Ben Thanks for the reply...... Ian - Had a read.... seems this is a worthless piece..... can i simply connect the input hose from the FSE to the output hose and all will be well? or do i need a bit in the middle to do something? Ben - yeah appreciate the connection is pants.... car still has the old piece of shortend pipe on after i reverted back to it to see if the problem was being caused by a difference in pipe (i know, long shot) I will be putting the nice new pipe back on before going anywhere..... Just need to know what to do?!? is my car a sitting duck until I get a new part? and if so what part do I need and where is the best place to get it? Thanks for your replies. Rob Edited October 26, 2008 by RobUK Grump face didn't work! ;) (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 You need a FPR of some sorts, you cannot just put input to output as you will get nothing, the FPR maintains the pressure in the rail so that your injectors can work, if you remove it the fuel will simply flow straight back to the tank and you will not get it to start. A better FPR can be bought for something around £100 IIRC, most of the traders should have them in stock, or you can see if anyone has an old standard part that they have removed from their car for a few quid. As for being a sitting duck, it might not be the cause for not starting, but you are lucky you only had 1 mile to drive home what with the fuel spraying around your engine bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Thanks Ben, I may as well get a new one.... no point in messing about...... fingers crossed that this is the problem... it's raining and i want to go for a drive with the roof off! ok maybe not..... but would be nice to have the option Thanks for your help..... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hi Guys..... Quick update..... So I went out this morning to try my luck and I don;t know why.... but the car started???? I thought computers were tempremental!! So I changed the pipe back to the new one and tried again.... still worked???!?!? Not sure what is going on here.... but obviously the car wanted to have a day off or something.... I then decided to sort out the internal wiring after my crap week with Speedo/Odometer..... and again this is also working..... completley confused..... My parter is going mad.... been outside on the car for 2 days..... she is pleased it is working though as my mood has gone from crappy to exstatic!! Thanks for all your comments/advise etc..... I will still go and buy the FPR as suggested. Thanks again Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 That sort of thing would worry me until I found the cause for intermittent starting problems Otherwise how do you know it will start a 2am when you've got 100 miles to go and it's cold and raining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Hi Ian, Spoke to my mechanic this morning and he thinks that it was probably an air lock that shifted because of the time left. He says this is common, usually on fuel filters etc I have had no reason to date to worry about the reliabilty of the car so not really concerned but as with anything I will keep an eye on it and see what happens. Update: just ordered a hks fpr from ds autos in aylesbury... Should arrive in a couple of days or so. Thanks Rob Edited October 27, 2008 by RobUK Situation update (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Not so common that it's ever been mentioned on here in 7 years or so, but if that works for your peace of mind, go for it Actually it might have just manked up the spark plugs with fuel by misfiring, and it cleared enough to start and burn the residue off afterwards. Hows that -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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