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I disagree... although I've only been on a bendy bus in Sheffield. I suspect it's more exciting being on one in town.

 

I enjoyed the very novel experience of watching the front of the bus disappear around a corner before I did. It was as much fun as you can have on public transport I would wager.

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I just got...

 

528,000,000 for god

420,000,000 for dog

19,500,000 for hamster

 

And :

 

24,400,000 for supra

 

So Supras are more popular than hamsters :)

 

In my weekly check up on my followers...

 

48,200 for Thorin is god.

 

I believe that's more than Scientology.

 

Are you listening god...?

 

I am now, my apologies, I am a very busy deity.

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I disagree... although I've only been on a bendy bus in Sheffield. I suspect it's more exciting being on one in town.

 

I enjoyed the very novel experience of watching the front of the bus disappear around a corner before I did. It was as much fun as you can have on public transport I would wager.

 

I am currently putting together an effigy of a bus which I intend to burn. In fact I might set fire to one end of the bus, and then watch it burn whilst I go on my merry way in the back.

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...the Humanists have got it spot on.

 

Seems their only "rule" is "treat everybody like you would like to be treated" or something like that.

 

 

I am not going to go around giving blowjobs! :blink:

 

I am currently putting together an effigy of a bus which I intend to burn. In fact I might set fire to one end of the bus, and then watch it burn whilst I go on my merry way in the back.

 

What's wrong with bendy buses? If you had one of sufficient length it would be able to follow the curvature of the Earth and I think we can all agree on the potential awesomeness of that.

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They've been using bendy buses in Athens for years, I got used to them when I was living over there as a student. In fact, it was fun standing on the bit in the middle where it bends, in a funny-peculiar sort of way :wacko: Anything that makes a bus journey interesting has got to be a bonus

 

so as an end user I think there kinda cool :nana:

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Hmm. We have:

 

I am not going to go around giving blowjobs! :blink:

 

Damn! :D

 

 

Followed by:

 

I'm on a drought... im getting desperate! :D

 

Its why I keep strikeing out.... never know when to shut up

 

Or keep you're mouth closed- as it were.

 

so as an end user

 

All I'm saying is.... :sly: :innocent:

 

:D

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But surely the word of a priest is third hand at best? It's got to be at least 99% of priests who don't claim to have spoken to god (or God, I suppose). Hearing someone who has actually done research and found something out and 'proven' it is more believable to me than someone saying they happen to believe in something that they read, written by someone who thinks they knew a person that might have spoken to god!!

 

Interesting.

 

I guess I was saying that for most of us, science might as well be religion. In both cases, people just blindly accept what they are told by 'experts', without really being equipped to question. I would put myself in that category. I've had a crack at quantum mechanics, astrophysics, cosmology etc over the years, but the blunt truth is that I'm too thick to understand anything but a basic outline of the evidence.

 

As for the second-hand vs. third hand thing, I think this is where my analogy fails. I think a lot of priests and a fair proportion of christians would say that they do have a direct experience of God. That may not mean that they talk to him, but that they have a strong feeling of connection with something. So it's not necessarily third hand.

 

I guess the distinction between the religious and scientific evidence is one of public vs. private experience. If I say: "This table is 1m long", that's public knowledge which we can all verify, provided we agree what a metre is. That is, I guess, a scientific statement. But if I say "This table moves me like no other table", that is a private experience which we can never verify. It's beyond the realms of scientific investigation. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is false, though.

 

Note that Christian philosophers don't only take the line 'you have to experience God yourself'. They use a host of other arguments that don't depend on this e.g. 'intelligent design' (deeply flawed, but makes reference to empirical evidence), miracles and other unexplained phenomena, patterns in nature, ontological arguments, arguments from moral sense etc.

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