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Thorin

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Original thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=139595

 

I now have the definitive answer, if only this had been posted back then.

 

http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/09/09/the-goddamn-airplane-on-the-goddamn-treadmill/

 

The practical answer is “yes”. A 747’s engines produce a quarter of a million pounds of thrust. That is, each engine is powerful enough to launch a brachiosaurus straight up (see diagram). With that kind of force, no matter what’s happening to the treadmill and wheels, the plane is going to move forward and take off.

 

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I can understand how people don't think it will take off, they see that the moving runway will stop the plane from going forwards and therefore not getting any airflow past the wings to give lift.

 

Took me a little while to work it out, but it wouldn't matter how fast or in which direction the runway was moving, the planes engines will push it forwards because they are pushing on the air. The wheels on the plane are just there to allow it to move around on the ground, they're not powered so are not used to get it up to speed for take off, just the thrust of the engines.

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missed the original thread so i'll post here :)

 

Now, I dont know much about anything, but I do know a plane needs to generate forward motion to achieve lift. The reason is correctly air pressure creating lift over the wings.

 

The idea of the engine carrying the aircraft vertically is stupid.

The harrier was built to achieve vertical flight and can only just manage it for short periods at a time. A 747 stands no chance.

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I only just saw this and the other thread and i honestly can't see the debate. Either i am favourably informed or you guys have no idea what thrust is.

 

The momentum of an aeroplane comes from the engine pushing/pulling the air around it, its got nothing to do with the wheels.

 

At the time of takeoff, if it was on a conveyor the wheels would be turning at twice the speed they normally would but the plane would still be moving forward at the same speed as it would be during normal takeoff, take away a tiny bit for the extra resistance in the wheels.

 

 

Edit, here's a scenario you can play through your mind. Imagine you had powered rollerskates on and you went onto a treadmill. If you equal the speed of the skates to the treadmill then u won't move. Now, take freewheeling skates and put on a jetpack. Imagine that you had already been on a runway and found out the speed that the jetpack powered skates would go on a flat and set the treadmill to that speed. Turn on the jetpack. Regardless of how fast the skates are turning the force from the jetpack is pushing the air behind you via exhaust gas. This would create an equal and opposite reaction pushing the jetpack forward from its current position..... regardless of where the skates are.

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the 747 would take off, the speed the treadmill is travelling would have no bearing on the forward speed of the aircraft. If the engines where turning the wheels then yes, the aircraft would not be able to travel forwards as they would have to overcome the speed of the treadmill before accelerating the aircraft however, thrust is acting on the airframe not the wheels. The only limiting factor is how much rpm the wheels could take before the bearings burnt out and seized.

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the 747 would take off, the speed the treadmill is travelling would have no bearing on the forward speed of the aircraft. If the engines where turning the wheels then yes, the aircraft would not be able to travel forwards as they would have to overcome the speed of the treadmill before accelerating the aircraft however, thrust is acting on the airframe not the wheels. The only limiting factor is how much rpm the wheels could take before the bearings burnt out and seized.

 

Either ur a good parrot, or a bad ventriloquist dummy :p

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