Thorin Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Nobody cares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted November 30, 2008 Author Share Posted November 30, 2008 Im sure the troops'll be pleased to hear that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I care. Trouble is, this took so long getting off the ground, I'm now already contributing elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Yep, me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 Not a problem guys, so long as it's coming from somewhere it all does the same thing. Many thanks to Andy T for his contribution and to those before him. I was hoping a pound from everyone would get the amount up but it seemnot so simple lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nedsta Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 i'll be donating soon as i get back in work, which weirdly enough will be the army lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 lol nice one Nedsta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 BUMP C'mon role up role up - just a pound from everyone will reach the target. I know times r shit but noone will miss a quid and with everyone chipping in it'll add up due to sheer number of members. Im also contributing in other places but few quid here doesnt hurt also. In the summer im chucking myself outa of a perfectly good plane to get them more too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Although your dedication is impressive, you can't assume that we all share it. I wouldn't miss a quid at all - but that's not really the point. There are many charities in the world, and if I chose to suddenly donate - be it £1 or £1000 - there are many that I would rate above this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Although your dedication is impressive, you can't assume that we all share it. I wouldn't miss a quid at all - but that's not really the point. There are many charities in the world, and if I chose to suddenly donate - be it £1 or £1000 - there are many that I would rate above this. cheers mate, will pass that on to my guys serving abroad that they are thought about like that. Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 cheers mate, will pass that on to my guys serving abroad that they are thought about like that. Richie Oh do get over yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 cheers mate, will pass that on to my guys serving abroad that they are thought about like that. Richie Sorry, but it is what I believe. Joining the forces is a career choice, and I honestly don't think it means people who serve automatically deserve my charity. While I have sympathy for people who are injured or killed in the line of duty, and I have no doubt that many of them face things I'd rather not - it does not warrant automatic hero worship on my part and it does not mean I feel I owe them anything. On the other hand - kids who are beaten up, elderly people who can't afford to feed themselves etc. - they are not there by choice. And as a result, they would get my charity before members of the armed foces. I'm well aware there are many members of the armed foces on here and my view won't be popular. But it is my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Oh do get over yourself. Not really a case of that is it? comments like "there are many that I would rate above this" do not need to be put on a forum that has a lot of serving and ex army forces guys on it, a simple "not this time" would of been more acceptable. But to publicly say that you rate this cause low quite low is out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Not really a case of that is it? comments like "there are many that I would rate above this" do not need to be put on a forum that has a lot of serving and ex army forces guys on it, a simple "not this time" would of been more acceptable. But to publicly say that you rate this cause low quite low is out of order. This is a Supra forum, not a squadie forum. I agree with Dave that people starving or dieing of cancer etc. would be higher on my list of charities than this. Why is that out of order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sorry, but it is what I believe. Joining the forces is a career choice, and I honestly don't think it means people who serve automatically deserve my charity. While I have sympathy for people who are injured or killed in the line of duty, and I have no doubt that many of them face things I'd rather not - it does not warrant automatic hero worship on my part and it does not mean I feel I owe them anything. On the other hand - kids who are beaten up, elderly people who can't afford to feed themselves etc. - they are not there by choice. And as a result, they would get my charity before members of the armed foces. I'm well aware there are many members of the armed foces on here and my view won't be popular. But it is my view. You are quite correct in that, but when we signed up we took an oath of allegiance to protect this country, however Iraq and Afgan are different wars. So to ask for a little support when we come back injured is surely not to much to ask is it? maybe it is in some peoples eyes, although i can not see how it differs from what you mentioned, we did not ask to go to these places and be blown up, shot and suffer all sorts of injuries. We signed up to protect THIS country not some oil state, but that is going away from the topic of this thread. As i have said above if you felt you needed to post in here then why try and and cause offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You are quite correct in that, but when we signed up we took an oath of allegiance to protect this country, however Iraq and Afgan are different wars. So to ask for a little support when we come back injured is surely not to much to ask is it? maybe it is in some peoples eyes, although i can not see how it differs from what you mentioned, we did not ask to go to these places and be blown up, shot and suffer all sorts of injuries. We signed up to protect THIS country not some oil state, but that is going away from the topic of this thread. As i have said above if you felt you needed to post in here then why try and and cause offense? Oh poor you, did you join up expecting it to be a bit like Dad's Army? How dare they send you off abroad, that's bang out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You are quite correct in that, but when we signed up we took an oath of allegiance to protect this country, however Iraq and Afgan are different wars. So to ask for a little support when we come back injured is surely not to much to ask is it? maybe it is in some peoples eyes, although i can not see how it differs from what you mentioned, we did not ask to go to these places and be blown up, shot and suffer all sorts of injuries. We signed up to protect THIS country not some oil state, but that is going away from the topic of this thread. As i have said above if you felt you needed to post in here then why try and and cause offense? I wasn't trying to cause offence - I was simply giving the reason why I wasn't donating. You've taken offence and I'm sorry about that - but I'm afraid I have never been somebody who keeps my opinion to myself just because it might upset other people - even though in this case, I'm surprised that statement bothered you so much. You did not ask to go to these places? Get real - you must have been well aware that this was what joining the army involved, and the risks associated even if you didn't know the specific places you'd go or the wars you'd be fighting. As I said - people join by choice and they are aware of the risks when they do it. That doesn't mean it's nice when they're maimed or killed - but it should not be a surprise that it can happen. That's very different from being a 4 year old and having the living crap beaten out of you. If you can't see the difference, that's fine. At the end of the day I didn't really have to justify my view. It is what I believe, I'm comfortable with it and - as is often stated in discussions like this - it's guys like you who ensure I have the freedom to express it. That's the irony of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This is a Supra forum, not a squadie forum. I agree with Dave that people starving or dieing of cancer etc. would be higher on my list of charities than this. Why is that out of order? In of topic so therefore anything goes in what threads are started, i cannot see what reference you are making to it been a squaddie forum? no one said it was. What charities you decide to give to is not been called into question is it? what I said was, was there any need to publicly say that you rate the welfare of the armed forces lower than children and OAP's because of the job we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 In of topic so therefore anything goes in what threads are started, i cannot see what reference you are making to it been a squaddie forum? no one said it was. Yes, off topic, I'm glad you noticed that. However, it didn't stop you posting that Dave should not have posted what he did "on this forum", because it has a lot of serving or ex squadie types on it. What charities you decide to give to is not been called into question is it? what I said was, was there any need to publicly say that you rate the welfare of the armed forces lower than children and OAP's because of the job we do? Is there any need to continually bump this thread when it's obvious that very few people on this forum view this charity above any other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I wasn't trying to cause offence - I was simply giving the reason why I wasn't donating. You've taken offence and I'm sorry about that - but I'm afraid I have never been somebody who keeps my opinion to myself just because it might upset other people - even though in this case, I'm surprised that statement bothered you so much. You did not ask to go to these places? Get real - you must have been well aware that this was what joining the army involved, and the risks associated even if you didn't know the specific places you'd go or the wars you'd be fighting. As I said - people join by choice and they are aware of the risks when they do it. That doesn't mean it's nice when they're maimed or killed - but it should not be a surprise that it can happen. That's very different from being a 4 year old and having the living crap beaten out of you. If you can't see the difference, that's fine. At the end of the day I didn't really have to justify my view. It is what I believe, I'm comfortable with it and - as is often stated in discussions like this - it's guys like you who ensure I have the freedom to express it. That's the irony of life. Yes we did know that we would be fighting, but that is not what this is about, this charity is about looking after people when they come home, those that cannot fend for themselves, need rehab and help to get on with life minus various limbs, The government turns a blind eye to the realities of war so its charities like this, funded by the public that enable forces members to to get back to work and try and lead normal lives, so to say that there is a difference is questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes, off topic, I'm glad you noticed that. However, it didn't stop you posting that Dave should not have posted what he did "on this forum", because it has a lot of serving or ex squadie types on it. Is there any need to continually bump this thread when it's obvious that very few people on this forum view this charity above any other? I Didn't, but someone that values what we do did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes we did know that we would be fighting, but that is not what this is about, this charity is about looking after people when they come home, those that cannot fend for themselves, need rehab and help to get on with life minus various limbs, The government turns a blind eye to the realities of war so its charities like this, funded by the public that enable forces members to to get back to work and try and lead normal lives, so to say that there is a difference is questionable. What is seems to be about is you objecting to the fact that I would donate to other charities before this one. I've explained why that is, and to me personal choice makes all the difference. That's not to say it's a pointless charity - it simply means that for me, I would prefer to donate to other charities before this one. It doesn't seem such an unreasonable statement, even if you don't agree with my reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Thanks for sticking to your guns Shadow Beast - it's obvious that alot of people dont give a f**k bout soldiers and although they are entitled to their oppinion, as Al Murray would say "they are clearly wrong". As for you DaveK and anyone else not interested for whatever reason then that's fair enough but the thread title clearly states what the thread is about so why bother f***ing reading it and even more strangely then commenting on it !?!?! beggers belief. Oh and for Thorin - BUMP ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Early stages at the moment but i may be doing something to raise a few £ for this worthy cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Nice to see this is still going, despite some knobheads sticking their oar in. I see H4H has been getting a bit more publicity lately so hopefully that means a bit more money for those who need it, and even if you dont make your target as quickly as you first thought, something is hell of a lot better than nothing chap:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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