China Man Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 7 years is not enough a punishment. He should get 1 years prison and back to football, 90% wages goes to both family affected and champing against drink drive for 10 years. If fail to earn as much as before then back to prison for jail terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 7 years is not enough a punishment. He should get 1 years prison and back to football, 90% wages goes to both family affected and champing against drink drive for 10 years. If fail to earn as much as before then back to prison for jail terms. How can anybody live on 10% of their wage? What does 'champing' mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Exactly. on a serious note, if it had been an accident then a suitable prison sentence would be in order, drinking and driving - personally, he should get the DP - as in death penalty. Death penalty for drink driving? I don't think even the Arabs/Americans/Chinese would go that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 campaign, that was a typo 10% of salary is just a guess, I have no idea how much he earns but the overall idea is that he need to contribute back to the society to the max of his ability instead of getting lock up and wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 My way of thinking is any modifications that have to be carried out at there home, or vehicle to accommodate injuries sustained from this idiot he should pay for them. If his insurance company pays out, then they will get that money back somehow, and i'll tell you how, the likes of you and I will pay for it when our premiums go up on our next renewal (don't even get me started on that subject), Richie With respect, you obviously are not aware of how much such things cost. I doubt a second rate goalkeeper could afford to pay the money required. I'd much prefer serious cases like that to be paid by an insurance company and crack down on the 100's of con artists claiming £10,000 for a pretend injury etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 It makes me laugh how people get on their high horse about this and then say they'd never do something AFTER a law is passed but would before. Hypocritical much? If it's wrong to do something then you shouldn't do it. Use your own head to make decisions. You've got it all wrong. I've done it at the most twice before and I can even remember the location. I realised that it was impossible to do so I never did it again, I would always pull over. I stopped long before the law was introduced and at least I had the honesty to admit it, my job involves an awful lot of driving around town with my phone ringing many times in a day. I've ignored it for years and let them leave a message if it's important. What about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Death penalty for drink driving? I don't think even the Arabs/Americans/Chinese would go that far. Ahh.....nope. Guess I need to spell it out. He knew very well that he wasn't supposed to be behind the wheel and yet decided to take the law in his own hands and effectively murder two people and seriously injure another. Under those circumstances, I personally dont understand why we need to imprison him for any length of time and fork out the bill as tax payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ahh.....nope. He knew very well that he wasn't supposed to be behind the wheel and yet decided to take the law in his own hands You know this how? One could argue that his judgement was impaired by lack of sleep, depression, alcohol (no excuse under law), jet lag. I get up at 5.30am and at best my brain is fuzzy. I can't imagine the effect of lack of sleep, alcohol, depression AND jet lag. I'm not defending him, he's guilty and admits it, I just query the reasoning for jailing him when he is in his own personal jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 So what about his family? Do they get to suffer because of his actions that weren't their fault? YEP! Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 With respect, you obviously are not aware of how much such things cost. I doubt a second rate goalkeeper could afford to pay the money required. I'd much prefer serious cases like that to be paid by an insurance company and crack down on the 100's of con artists claiming £10,000 for a pretend injury etc He does not need to pay for all of it, like your saying, second rate goalkeeper, prob not on the big bucks, just freeze the bank account and empty whats in there and use that towards the costs, seems fair enough to me. Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 He does not need to pay for all of it, like your saying, second rate goalkeeper, prob not on the big bucks, just freeze the bank account and empty whats in there and use that towards the costs, seems fair enough to me. Richie Not if he only has 2p in there. Or if most of his assets are owned by his spouse or someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ahh.....nope. Guess I need to spell it out. He knew very well that he wasn't supposed to be behind the wheel and yet decided to take the law in his own hands and effectively murder two people and seriously injure another. Under those circumstances, I personally dont understand why we need to imprison him for any length of time and fork out the bill as tax payers. Yes you do need to spell it out. What are you saying exactly, that he should NOT go to prison? If not then what is the alternative? It seems to me that you were suggesting the death penalty, or have you changed your mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 have you changed your mind? Nope, I haven't changed my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Drink driving deaths are unfortunately not a new occurance, are people's views biased because he was a footballer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Nope, I haven't changed my mind. So death penalty then, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Nope, not at all, i just think that 7 years is not long enough for the crime he has committed, especially as he may be out after only serving 1/2 - 2/3 (cant remember which it is up to the 12 year point) when he has given that family a life sentence, to me it only seems fair that he should get one as well. I lost a good friend of mine a few years back to a drink driver, unfortunately i was serving away in Kosovo at the time so could not attend his funeral, however i did on my return see how it had affected many lives, including those of his wife's and 2 young children. not nice to see. The only good news in all of it was that the A*** Hole that killed my mate committed suicide before his hearing. That to me was justice. Harsh it may be, but they are my views. Richie Edit, this is a reply to Kopite's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The only good news in all of it was that the A*** Hole that killed my mate committed suicide before his hearing. Wow. You're quite a humanitarian. Fortunately people like you don't get to decide sentencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wow. You're quite a humanitarian. Fortunately people like you don't get to decide sentencing. just have a different outlook on life and its meaning, eye for an eye and all that, doubt if i am the only one on here who thinks like that. I don't know you personally and if i speak out of turn here then my apologies, I have seen first hand the effects a drink driver has when he gets behind the wheel of a car, to that end i will never sympathize with one, to me they are not worth the space they take up. If you feel that the sentence this footballer has been given is adequate then that's fine, not sure if you have children but if you have and it had been your loss and you were now typing on here in a wheel chair having lost your little ones, would you be happy with a sentence like he has received? bearing in mind you have just been handed a life of no children to bring up? Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 YEP! Richie Nice. Posted via Mobile Device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 just have a different outlook on life and its meaning, eye for an eye and all that, doubt if i am the only one on here who thinks like that. Richie An eye for an eye, and we'd all be blind. There is nothing to stop you changing your outlook. Life is about learning lessons, not vengence and revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 An eye for an eye, and we'd all be blind. " In the Valley of the blind the one eyed man is king " Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff meade Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 i am amazed that people dont think 7 years is enough.. i cant stand drink drivers i have never done it and if i did and killed 2 kids i would expect a long time in jail..for gods sake get a taxi even drink driving and getting cought should be 12 months in jail. do you know the maximum is 14years and there is not one person who has bin sentence to it >>> so what do you have to do to get 14years kill 40 kids coming out of school while pissed drink drivers are 1 from the bottom of scum of the earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Life is about learning lessons, not vengence and revenge. At what price and who's expense, yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 i am amazed that people dont think 7 years is enough.. I think the point many are trying to make is not that he shouldn't be punished but that there is very little value in imprisioning him. It doesn't repair the damage he has done and chances are there are more effective methods of punishment appropriate to this individual. Its a no win situation especially when you consider it costs you and I to keep him there and his 'cell' could be used for more 'deserving' people. The fact that Richie points out that the person who killed his friend committed suicide as a result probably meant that he was punishing himself a hell of a lot more than 100 years in prison ever could. He does not need to pay for all of it, like your saying, second rate goalkeeper, prob not on the big bucks, just freeze the bank account and empty whats in there and use that towards the costs, seems fair enough to me. Richie Not disagreeing with you in principle and in fact you will find the Proceeds fo Crime Act was set up to do a similar thing with criminals and the proceeds they obtain from illegal activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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