hogmaw Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 For causing deaths of 2 kids in a crash while over the limit. link It happened at 5.45 in the morning so he must have been drinking and up all night? What a fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I remember this. Awful for the family and as for him what a complete d*ckhead. What are peoples views on 7 years? Im thinking it should have considerably more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Should be at least 3 times that IMO. A car is a lethal weapon in the wrong/incapable hands, as tragically proven here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Put it this way, if it were you or I that had done this we would be looking at a lot longer than 7 years and certainly not be able to get parole after three and a half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Tw@t should have got life, especially as he had been drinking no doubt the fact he was a footballer helped it usually does note to self, if you ever want to bump someone off use a car and make sure you are pi$$ed, guarenteed to get out in a couple of years if you get caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Put it this way, if it were you or I that had done this we would be looking at a lot longer than 7 years and certainly not be able to get parole after three and a half! Or walk back into a multi thousand pound a week job either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I dont know why people risk doing things like that. Its so stupid. What makes them think they are special enough to get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Put it this way, if it were you or I that had done this we would be looking at a lot longer than 7 years and certainly not be able to get parole after three and a half!On what are you basing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j80leo Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 What a complete arse 7 years is no way enough 2 children's live's have been lost and the parent's will never be the same again what a loss:(I was on jury service when this happened and he was due in crown court the day after i was leaving jury service he was a guilty before he got to court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Put it this way, if it were you or I that had done this we would be looking at a lot longer than 7 years and certainly not be able to get parole after three and a half! Depends if you or I can afford a decent enough lawyer, or understand enough of the law ourself to mitigate our case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 On what are you basing that? Pure speculation and no evidence at all. But I think it's a pretty well educated guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budz86 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Depends if you or I can afford a decent enough lawyer, or understand enough of the law ourself to mitigate our case. I suppose so, but what mitigating circumstances are there? Especially for him. He can easily afford a taxi/private chauffer/helicopter/5 star room for the night! No excuse for him being on the road. But if I was driving while drunk and a completly sobber driver crashed into me, even if I was within the speed limit and driving straight etc it would still be my fault as I shouldn't have been on the road in the first place. The other driver wouldn't get touched! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molak Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 should of been more fuckin footballers think there it cos they have money. but i cant help think, what are 2 kids doing out at 5:45 in the morning?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 He pays way more tax than you and me so I can see why they dont want to keep in him as long as they would have kept us......guess that is the logic behind it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 He pays way more tax than you and me so I can see why they dont want to keep in him as long as they would have kept us......guess that is the logic behind it So what you're say is keep rich people in jail for less time so the government can reap the benefits of the tax they pay when out of jail, and conversely keep poor people in there longer so the government doesn't have to pay their dole & benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff meade Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 people always get short sentances in this country for drink driving he should of got 20years he is a p*&%k he was on great money and never even had insurance. even caught drink driving you should get 12 months i love a drink and in 24years i have never been tempted to drink drive . thanx geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 He pays way more tax than you and me so I can see why they dont want to keep in He doesn't pay any tax. He's been unemployed since (and because of) the accident. throw away the key, etc etc The guy did a stupid thing and several people paid a terrible price for his mistake. However, I don't see how sending the poor bastard to prison for 'considerably more' than seven years would help anything. He's hardly likely to do it again anyway, is he. Sending folks to prison for very long stretches is just an expensive revenge exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 He's hardly likely to do it again anyway, is he. Sending folks to prison for very long stretches is just an expensive revenge exercise. Not necessarily, drink driving was commonplace before the courts started handing out long sentences for it. Long sentences send a message out saying 'think twice before drink driving' and as such they serve as a deterrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff meade Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 The guy did a stupid thing and several people paid a terrible price for his mistake. However, I don't see how sending the poor bastard to prison for 'considerably more' than seven years would help anything. He's hardly likely to do it again anyway, is he. Sending folks to prison for very long stretches is just an expensive revenge exercise. 2 kids paid the price are you a judge ? because i think you would fit in well with them wot a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 The guy did a stupid thing and several people paid a terrible price for his mistake. However, I don't see how sending the poor bastard to prison for 'considerably more' than seven years would help anything. He's hardly likely to do it again anyway, is he. Sending folks to prison for very long stretches is just an expensive revenge exercise. 2 kids paid the price are you a judge ? because i think you would fit in well with them wot a joke 2 kids paid the price indeed, but will giving him 15 years bring them back? Nope. Will 30 years bring them back? Nope. He's gonna learn a lesson and as Jake said, i seriously doubt he'll drive a car again let alone drink and drive. Depending how remorseful he is then he's got to live with what he's done as long as he's breathing and that *should* be the biggest punishment for him. Locking him up for years on end won't really solve much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I couldn't care less about him TBH but I feel for the parents and two little lads that died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 2 kids paid the price indeed, but will giving him 15 years bring them back? Nope. Will 30 years bring them back? Nope. He's gonna learn a lesson and as Jake said, i seriously doubt he'll drive a car again let alone drink and drive. Depending how remorseful he is then he's got to live with what he's done as long as he's breathing and that *should* be the biggest punishment for him. Locking him up for years on end won't really solve much else. Agree 100% Remember that this bloke admitted guilt, he didn't claim innocence. At the end of the day had he wanted to, he could have claimed diminished responsibility (jet lag, fiance's affair + lack of sleep) and with a very good solicitor/barrister might have sneaked it.... What will prision teach this man? Oh and you are not allowed to send a person to prision to send a message to others as you have to try a person on the facts of the crime alone. Finally, as sick as it sounds, I am quite glad the boys died rather than living but with very serious injuries. I was working on a case today where the young lad survived but he was so brain damaged his life is just a prison sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Beast Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 i am going to go with a life for a life on this one, don't really follow football, so cant give to much info but i assume he was on a fair amount of a wage? so like others have said there was no need to be on the road, to that end because of his downright stupidity and ignorance towards others then as far as i am concerned he should spend the rest of his life in prison, his bank account should be frozen and any money in it should be used to compensate the family. richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 The guy did a stupid thing and several people paid a terrible price for his mistake. However, I don't see how sending the poor bastard to prison for 'considerably more' than seven years would help anything. He's hardly likely to do it again anyway, is he. Sending folks to prison for very long stretches is just an expensive revenge exercise.2 kids paid the priceAlso the father, who was seriously injured and, I think, still in a wheelchair. are you a judge ? because i think you would fit in well with them wot a jokeDid you have point to make, Geoff? You seem to have forgotten to include it in your lowercase, broken quoted, chav-speak post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 i am going to go with a life for a life on this one, don't really follow football, so cant give to much info but i assume he was on a fair amount of a wage? so like others have said there was no need to be on the road, to that end because of his downright stupidity and ignorance towards others then as far as i am concerned he should spend the rest of his life in prison, his bank account should be frozen and any money in it should be used to compensate the family. richieI don't think the guy is as loaded as some people seem to think. He was just a goalkeeper for a lower division team (Plymouth Argyle are hardly Manchester United) he should spend the rest of his life in prison, his bank account should be frozen and any money in it should be used to compensate the family. The rest of his life? What good would that do? Similarly, giving his money to the family of the dead boys won't bring those poor boys back or ease their parents' grief. Some things can't be fixed with money. Compensation isn't always appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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