Tannhauser Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I'm hoping a lynch mob finds him, stones him to a point where he's still able to know what's happening but can't do anything about it and then feeds him to a crocodile that's a really slow eater. See, normally when you post something like this, I would suspect it was heavily ladled with Michael irony, but then there's this: I respect your opinions, your rolling eyes, your wonderful quotes and much more, I still hold the same views as I did in the first post though. Are you really saying that a child deserves to be seriously hurt for this act, horrible though it was? Where do we go from here? 'We' as debating parties, or 'we' as a society? If the latter, I don't see that the case has any implications for society at all. It's a kid, maybe a nasty kid, that got away from his parents and caused havoc. It isn't symptomatic of anything, other than our ability to receive news from anywhere in the world. If the former, then I don't know. In my view, the conclusion that you've reached - with the greatest respect for your formidable intellect - is morally and logically flawed. I have reasons for this, which I'm happy to set out, but I suspect that this thread will run out of steam before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 'We' as debating parties, or 'we' as a society? If the latter, I don't see that the case has any implications for society at all. It's a kid, maybe a nasty kid, that got away from his parents and caused havoc. It isn't symptomatic of anything, other than our ability to receive news from anywhere in the world. If the former, then I don't know. In my view, the conclusion that you've reached - with the greatest respect for your formidable intellect - is morally and logically flawed. I have reasons for this, which I'm happy to set out, but I suspect that this thread will run out of steam before then. How Profound are you........ I'm impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sted Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Are you really saying that a child deserves to be seriously hurt for this act, horrible though it was? If He is willing to hurt something or some one he deserves to take it him self IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 you learn something new every day on here. I personally didn't know kids ran off batteries. Just when i thought you lot couldnt go any lower, Suprastar broke out the shovels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hmm, difficult one this!! At what age does a child understand the full extent of what he has done and would he understand the consequences, Whatever they would be? I did some horrible things as a child and also as a teenager, does this make me a bad person?? I think in this case it would be a good idea to strap this little errant to a rocket and see where he lands....... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 ........... I'm impressed. Seriously, don't be. No false modesty: there are so very many areas in which I'm as dumb as a shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Are you over it, or would you like these 10 out of date AA batteries I was going to bin? Sounds a risky habit to me, but it takes all sorts Brilliant really made me laugh Where were the parents or the Zoo officials and how on earth did he get to all the animals? I can't even work out how to open a rabbit hutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I did some horrible things as a child and also as a teenager, does this make me a bald person?? By your own admission, yes, you're a bald person. If some of the guys on this thread we're in charge, you would never have made it to adulthood. You'd have been strung up as a warning against society going soft on crime, parents who don't control their kids, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Interesting thread this. If I could be bothered I'd go and have a look at the Gary Glitter thread. I wonder how many people on this thread are also on there, somehow disgusted at what Glitter did to kids but finding it okay to deem it okay for a kid to be thrown to the crocs? If only I could spell hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Rendar Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 What a complete non sequitur... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Interesting thread this. If I could be bothered I'd go and have a look at the Gary Glitter thread. I wonder how many people on this thread are also on there, somehow disgusted at what Glitter did to kids but finding it okay to deem it okay for a kid to be thrown to the crocs? If only I could spell hypocrisy. Good try there dude.. Was going to stay out of this, but I agree. Ok, so what he did was horrible, but the little guy is only 7. Is it ok to throw him to the crocs, to be ripped apart as long as he's not molested first.. Cool... Yep, I posted that it was a shame he didn't climb in with the croc, and now don't feel comfortable that I did, but would we all be happier if he had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 What a complete non sequitur... Red's comment or your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 If He is willing to hurt something or some one he deserves to take it him self IMO. What do you mean by 'take it himself'? Tortured, maimed or killed? Because that's the sort of response that' has been discussed here. The kid definitely needs to be punished, in exactly the same way that a dog needs to be punished when it does something that breaks your rules. Otherwise the dog never learns. But you don't punish the dog because the dog 'deserves' it, do you? That implies taking retribution, which would be silly, because the dog just does what is natural and what it has learned to do. A child of seven hasn't the capability of thinking through a 'crime', except at a really basic level. It makes no more sense to talk about a child 'deserving' retribution then a dog, a baby, or a congenital idiot. As an aside, in the middle ages, animals were often put on trial in the same way humans were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 As an aside, in the middle ages, animals were often put on trial in the same way humans were. "You see, My Lord, how the Duck of Taunton lives within him" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 "You see, My Lord, how the Duck of Taunton lives within him" And here's a real one I just found, as part of an interesting article: "We, in detestation and horror of the said crime, and to the end that an example be made and justice maintained, have said, judged, sentenced, pronounced and appointed, that the said porker, now detained as a prisoner and confined in the said abbey, shall be by the master of high works hanged and strangled on a gibbet of wood near and adjoinant to the gallows and place of execution." http://www.abc.net.au/animals/program4/factsheet1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 It is beyond me personally to understand how a child can actually go to such lengths to fulfill his desire to figure out how cool/fun it would be to put to death all these creatures in the manner he executed them. That actually worries me with this child. I find it hard to condemn peoples initial thoughts for retribution though, as that is actually more of a natural process than the actual harming of the animals in these circumstances as any empathic animal loving individual will find it hard to understand (a little twisted but understandable if you follow it). The child is displaying outwardly trends of some potentially unpleasant and dangerous antisocial personality disorder which is the most important thing to identify with. Who needs taking to task? Parents and primary health care officials maybe? Hard to spot these things in children - not as easy as a colour blindness test! He needs monitoring for the first part and treatment/rehabilitation since this is now obvious - this is not normal for *any* child, but we shouldn't condemn him on this action alone (this is the result of an unchecked possible defect). Maybe I was abnormal as a child, I guess as I wanted to be veterinary surgeon (reaching for the sky at the time) I love pretty much all animals (I even save wasps where possible, and I hate them with a passion!) - I have been bitten by pretty much every domestic animal there is and have no fear or hate for them nor have ever desired their harm. Temperament and upbringing has a lot to do with how a child behaves - but in some rare cases their brains just aren't wired right! Child needs assessment observation and help, not stoning! If he is allowed to continue untreated/monitored then there are many to be held accountable if we are to truly to call ourselves a society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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