caseys Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Well today's the day in Paris for Lewis Hamilton's Spa GP appeal. After reading all the info on it, as well as the general opinion of all the drives as well as the F1 pundits, even though public opinion is backing Lewis it doesn't look like a clear cut win I think we should lynch the FIA if he doesn't get it though Anyone want to join me? *now looking forward to Singapore which has rain forecast * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I will be amazed if they win the appeal but hopefully LH will win the title without the stewards descision being overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_mcevoy Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I'm a fan of Mclaren and Hamilton but even I think they have a snowballs chance in hell of winning this appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDriver Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Back in the days Michael Schumacher could drive his opponents from the road without any penalty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 It's interesting, every time Schumi sailed close to the wind, he was let off and then the rules would be clarified. With McLaren and Lewis they are penalised and then the rules are clarified.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I hope the appeal is lost and LH goes onto win the title. That'll be a nice two fingers to the powers that be, a sort of "you may take our lives but you'll never take our freedom", knock me down but I'll keep getting up attitude:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Indeed - as long as Ferrari don't win I'll be happy - I'd laugh my a**e off if Kubica managed it after all this! I don't like it though when LH appears to be a bit childish with his comments - he's young but needs to keep his mouth shut more often (hard I know when you have the media hounding you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Lewis had a clear advantage as nobody else overtook anyone in that corner for the whole race. Hope ferrari keeps their win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Don't like Hamilton or McLaren, Not fussed on Ferrari as a team but I do like Raikonnen and Massa. Massa FTW this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 McLaren and Appeal > FIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 McLaren and Appeal > FIA lol i take it your definition of FIA is something in the bum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tricky one for me, its hard to say if he had an advantage or not as he was so much quicker at that point in the race. There is no reason to say on that last corner he wouldnt of been as close due to the slippery conditions as mclaren handle rain so much better. Im not sure which way id go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tricky one for me, its hard to say if he had an advantage or not as he was so much quicker at that point in the race. There is no reason to say on that last corner he wouldnt of been as close due to the slippery conditions as mclaren handle rain so much better. Im not sure which way id go. What clinched it for me was the opinions of the other drivers. They had about 10 drivers (non Ferrari/McLaren) and asked them. They all said Lewis gained an advantage. Case closed IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 What clinched it for me was the opinions of the other drivers. They had about 10 drivers (non Ferrari/McLaren) and asked them. They all said Lewis gained an advantage. Case closed IMO. yea i read that. They also said the penalty was too harsh. Maybe they should give him a fine...say 10,000 euro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 he slowed to let the guy back in front tho, so any advantage was given back to the ferrari driver, he only cut the corner to avoid an accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 yea i read that. They also said the penalty was too harsh. Maybe they should give him a fine...say 10,000 euro I say give him the win and fine him 6 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 he slowed to let the guy back in front tho, so any advantage was given back to the ferrari driver, he only cut the corner to avoid an accident But on relative track position, he was still ahead of where he would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 What clinched it for me was the opinions of the other drivers. They had about 10 drivers (non Ferrari/McLaren) and asked them. They all said Lewis gained an advantage. Case closed IMO. They would say that though wouldn't they? They are the guys getting beaten by him, and he's not exactly humble is he? If you can say something to get an advantage you will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Plus he's a young rooky, and he's doing a lot better than most of the veterans (yeah I know faster car blah blah), obviously they're going to say whatever they can against him!! It was funny how last week the commentators kept saying "He'll have to wait till 2 corners on to take back the place now" whenever anyone cut a corner - it was as if a new rule had been created in the book!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Plus he's a young rooky, and he's doing a lot better than most of the veterans (yeah I know faster car blah blah), obviously they're going to say whatever they can against him!! It was funny how last week the commentators kept saying "He'll have to wait till 2 corners on to take back the place now" whenever anyone cut a corner - it was as if a new rule had been created in the book!!! It had, hadn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I can't understand how the FIA came up with Hamilton's punishment. So we had Hamilton and Raikkonen fighting for the lead, with the others way behind. Hamilton took the lead and finished first - even if he'd slammed on the brakes and didn't cut the corner, he would've finished at least second. So the only person really affected by it was Raikkonen - who crashed out anyway. So why the time penalty that moved him down into fourth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I *believe* McLaren are fighting the punishment - ie saying it's disproportionate to the crime. And on that point I can't see anyone not agreeing. Surely it's obvious that McLaren sought immediate confirmation that the move was ok and that if they'd be told to let Kimi back past they would have...you can't then after the race change things like that. McLaren did all they could to A) make sure they had complied with the rules B) There *WAS* no one corner rule before hand. In the heat of battle, with positions swapping frenetically, FIA Race Director approval and decisions made in seconds (not hours like the stewards) I honestly can't see how a 25sec penalty is justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I can't understand how the FIA came up with Hamilton's punishment. So we had Hamilton and Raikkonen fighting for the lead, with the others way behind. Hamilton took the lead and finished first - even if he'd slammed on the brakes and didn't cut the corner, he would've finished at least second. So the only person really affected by it was Raikkonen - who crashed out anyway. So why the time penalty that moved him down into fourth? I thought he got 3rd But the penalty was awarded because as it stands the Stewards have about 5 things they can do. 1. Fine (Massa's pitlane incident). 2. Drive through penalty or 25secs if awarded after the race. 3. Stop and Go penalty with 10secs in pit box. 4. Grid Penalty at next race. 5. Disqualification. The stewards are not at liberty (just like magistrates in court) to make up penalties that fit the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 When do we hear the result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 When do we hear the result? Tuesday supposedly. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70772 http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080922183541.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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