It seems Sharia is here

[michael]

Hmmmmmmm.

 

Well that's cleared that up then

[n boost]

I'd say the religious types are a minority in this country so if thats the case why are we still spending money on pointless houses of faith?

 

Not really mate, depends on what u define as religious types.

Islam is growing at a considerable speed and i dont know the facts/figures but there is a huge number of americans converting over to islam every week.

They may be pointless to u but may mean the world to someone else, so please respect others views and not use words like pointless.

This argument will carry on for ever so i will say no more on this thread and let others continue as i have much better things to do with my time.

Everyone is quick to type up and judge others but $hit all happens in this country, just like the fuel protests.

So i say each to there own and to the small minded ones who may make them selfs feel better by typing insulting/abusive $hite about others beliefs but yet will not have the balls to say it to there faces but are fine typing on the P.C.

[michael]

It's YOU

[charlton]

In before the lock

[Multics]

Sharia Law courts: Not in my name.

[Rob]

This argument will carry on for ever so i will say no more on this thread

This is true.

 

So i say each to there own and to the small minded ones who may make them selfs feel better by typing insulting/abusive $hite about others beliefs but yet will not have the balls to say it to there faces but are fine typing on the P.C.

What does that mean? This is an internet forum, we communicate by typing words. How do my opinions become more valid if I speak them rather than type them?

Is it a veiled threat "Say that to my face and I'll smite thee" ?

 

Ok, I'm deliberately winding you up now, sorry, I understand that nothing anyone types here will sudddenly make you give up religion (and I'm making the big assumption that you are religious).

I'll be honest, I don't respect your beliefs at all, but I respect your right to have them and to speak about them.

[adnanshah247]

What? Like Hitler did?

Yuo Nazi !!!

 

hes got you there lmao

[Rob]

No he didn't. Hitler did not ban religion, in fact his religious leanings were ambiguous. He may have been a Catholic, his atheism is a myth (QI alarms styleee), he may have possibly used religion as a control for the masses. You don't get that anti-semitic by being an atheist.

[Rob]

Not really mate, depends on what u define as religious types.

Islam is growing at a considerable speed and i dont know the facts/figures but there is a huge number of americans converting over to islam every week.

 

Some facts and figures here. From 2001 I think, so a bit old now. http://www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.html

[and1c]

What? Like Hitler did?

You Nazi !!!

 

Eh??

 

 

Religion = bollox

[bolarbag]

Not really mate, depends on what u define as religious types.

Islam is growing at a considerable speed and i dont know the facts/figures but there is a huge number of americans converting over to islam every week.

They may be pointless to u but may mean the world to someone else, so please respect others views and not use words like pointless.

This argument will carry on for ever so i will say no more on this thread and let others continue as i have much better things to do with my time.

Everyone is quick to type up and judge others but $hit all happens in this country, just like the fuel protests.

So i say each to there own and to the small minded ones who may make them selfs feel better by typing insulting/abusive $hite about others beliefs but yet will not have the balls to say it to there faces but are fine typing on the P.C.

 

I have no problem saying it to anyones face, never have done and never will, this is coming from an outspoken person of authority that is a minority in situations likely to cause a riot due to what I say or allow to go on in a pub full of[several hundred] screaming drunken part-time bigots

 

I dont think your looking at the big picture here, religion itself may be all fine and dandy but it is used more often than not to instill hatred for others of different creeds/beliefs you name it they hate it blablabla, spending 6million on a local church that went up in flames very suspiciously is a waste of my taxpayers cash, the majority of it funded by the council - your right I can't do anything about it, I wasnt consulted before they built it, but I aint gonna sit here and let religion be used as an excuse for the next stabbing or bomb that goes off

 

Believe what you like, personally I'd rather you not do it in public

 

We aint all keyboard warriors, but religion affects us all in more ways than I'd like, hence the reaction you get, no offence intended, not because of your religion, but because your a fellow member and we have one thing in common I know of-we both like sups:)

[Supra-Brett]

what shocks me is that this feable example is used as proof of evolution!! This is akin to the black and speckled moths observations of old. The mechanism at work here is NOT mutation at all.

 

Take a petri dish full of bacteria. Expose to antibiotic. Most die. the ones that live already have imunity and mutiply to fill sample population. If bacteria dies at the hand of the antibiotic, how can it support the 'mutation' and reproduce to express it?

 

We could go back and forward on evolution and i could knock back any example you give to prove the exsitance of. Back to topic...

 

its all about respect. I dont have any problem with the way anyone wants to live their life. I choose to live my life to my principals. Everyone is happy:)

 

Someone needs to go to science school.

[lexsum]

anyway,......

 

 

the real problem with this is that the islamic faith is sexually unbalanced. women have no rights as such and this type of joke court will see women lose out every time. but hey ho looks like the gov is not very interested in that.

[n boost]

This is true.

 

 

What does that mean? This is an internet forum, we communicate by typing words. How do my opinions become more valid if I speak them rather than type them?

Is it a veiled threat "Say that to my face and I'll smite thee" ?

 

Ok, I'm deliberately winding you up now, sorry, I understand that nothing anyone types here will sudddenly make you give up religion (and I'm making the big assumption that you are religious).

I'll be honest, I don't respect your beliefs at all, but I respect your right to have them and to speak about them.

 

Mate tbh i am not very religious but do have beliefs which are mine and do not influence any one else.

Unfortunately we live in times were a majority of peoples opinions have come through the media coverage of recent events and potrayed Islam to be full of extremist's which in reality is not true.

All off a sudden the media has programmes on day and night about Islam with titles such as Undercover mosque/terrorist's etc which instantly create doubt and stay in your head. So when people think about Islam these are the words that ring in there heads.

I can asure u that we are not all like they show u on t.v and Islam is meant to be a religion of peace but has been taken out off context.

What i meant about saying to someone's face is that for exmple alot of people will and can make negative comments sitting behind a p.c but would not say the same comments to that person if he were 22 st 6'8 and was heavy weight standing in front of them.

It is easier to type a comment up without even thinking about it but funnily enough standing in front of the person you would think about what u say.

[bolarbag]

What i meant about saying to someone's face is that for exmple alot of people will and can make negative comments sitting behind a p.c but would not say the same comments to that person if he were 22 st 6'8 and was heavy weight standing in front of them.

 

Lol, that don't mean sh&t, I'd give it a fair go - regardless, thats when my 22st 6ft 3" collegue comes in handy:D

 

Waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy off topic

[n boost]

Lol, that don't mean sh&t, I'd give it a fair go - regardless, thats when my 22st 6ft 3" collegue comes in handy:D

 

Waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy off topic

 

I did say alot of people and not everyone. i too would say it myself and would not give 2 shites about it but u will find in the real world mate that there are people who will not say anything when confronted face to face.

[ajazyasin]

Someone needs to go to science school.

 

 

Bsc Hons Biomedical Sciences.

 

 

Ok, Ill bore you a bit. Please understand that Scientific 'facts' are the result of observations.

 

Immunity in bacteria comes from 2 mechanisms:

 

1. The transfer of resistance genes already existant in bacteria

2. Bacteria building resistance to antibiotics as a result of losing genetic data.

 

Some microorganisms have the ability to degrade centain antibiotic molecules. The genes that are involved in these processes are sometimes transferrable to other bacteria. Most pathogenic bacteria have succeeded in accumulating several sets of genes that grant them resistance to a variety of anti biotics. This is NOT evidence of evolution. The genetic changes that could illustrate the evolution must not only add information to the bacteria's genome, they must also add information to the biocosm. The horizontal transfer of genes only spreads around genes that are already in some species.

 

Resistance can also be the result of a random substitution of a single nucleotide. Resistance to streptomycin occured in this way. This 'mutation' though benificial to the the microorganism in the presence of said antibiotic is NOT the engine that can serve as the prototype for mutation mentioned in neo Darwinian thoeries. The type of mutation above occurs in the ribosomes and degrades its molecular match with the antibiotic molecule. This degradation is a loss of specificity and therefore a loss of information. Evolution does not occur by accumulating mutations that only degrade specificity.

 

 

Im really glad this debate has come up. It illustrates perfectly the thread we are posting in. I believe X. You believe Y. I could argue my side all day long and not change your mind. And you the same. OR, we can agree to disagree and shake hands:)

 

... but be respect is the key. I would never shout anyone down for thier views.

[michael]

Bsc Hons Biomedical Sciences.

 

Yes, I'd like fries with that please.

[Thorin]

Everyone knows the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true religion!

 

http://www.venganza.org/

 

Ramen.

[AJI]

To further this debate ajazyasin, how does the modern biomedical world decribe the popular experiment results in my previous post whereby under short time conditions no bacteria survive if not given enough reproduction time?

Yet, if they are allowed enough reproduction time then the bacteria grows again?

 

Totally sealed conditions with heat being the primary factor to control the reproductive time scales.

 

One of my best friend's wife works in the Pharmaceutical testing business and I also have an interest in Chemistry and science in general. I often have discussion with her about various developments in the science world.

She has decribed these simple bacteria experiments many times to me and I also remember doing something siliar in 'A' level chemistry where we were 'playing' with simple mould to show evolution.

 

The main point of the bacteria experiments is to show that under short time conditions of the test (cold environment), the toxic environment kills off 100% of the bacteria... when the petri dish is then brought back to normal temperature ....still no re-growth.

This suggests that none of the bacteria have anything in-built into it to suggest adaption.

 

BUT, under warmer conditions where the bacteria reproduce at a much faster rate, and enough reproduction cycles have been factored in.... then initially most.. (something like 99.99%) of the bateria die out.... and then after the petri dish is brought back to normal conditions, over an amount of time the bacteria is once again seen to be growing.

 

This can surely only suggest that the 'new' bacteria is the one that is able to survive.... and therefore only mutation has allowed it.

 

 

But as you say what is observed by one person can be interperated by that person in his/her own way. And if beliefs of 'higher powers' come into the equation then this is going to biass his/her opinion of what is being observed.

 

This is not meant as a derrogatory comment by the way.... just basically my view of the world.

[Nic]

I'll be honest, I don't respect your beliefs at all, but I respect your right to have them and to speak about them.

 

Tenuous link alert!

 

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[Rob]

Posts like that are symbolic of my struggle against oppression.

[bolarbag]

Yes, I'd like fries with that please.

 

You crack me up

[imi]

Why not, we seem to bow to them for everything else

 

too right - about time we get some rulings with balls - or shall i say thats prepared to chop some balls

[extendor]

To further this debate ajazyasin, how does the modern biomedical world decribe the popular experiment results in my previous post whereby under short time conditions no bacteria survive if not given enough reproduction time?

Yet, if they are allowed enough reproduction time then the bacteria grows again?

 

Totally sealed conditions with heat being the primary factor to control the reproductive time scales.

 

One of my best friend's wife works in the Pharmaceutical testing business and I also have an interest in Chemistry and science in general. I often have discussion with her about various developments in the science world.

She has decribed these simple bacteria experiments many times to me and I also remember doing something siliar in 'A' level chemistry where we were 'playing' with simple mould to show evolution.

 

The main point of the bacteria experiments is to show that under short time conditions of the test (cold environment), the toxic environment kills off 100% of the bacteria... when the petri dish is then brought back to normal temperature ....still no re-growth.

This suggests that none of the bacteria have anything in-built into it to suggest adaption.

 

BUT, under warmer conditions where the bacteria reproduce at a much faster rate, and enough reproduction cycles have been factored in.... then initially most.. (something like 99.99%) of the bateria die out.... and then after the petri dish is brought back to normal conditions, over an amount of time the bacteria is once again seen to be growing.

 

This can surely only suggest that the 'new' bacteria is the one that is able to survive.... and therefore only mutation has allowed it.

 

 

But as you say what is observed by one person can be interperated by that person in his/her own way. And if beliefs of 'higher powers' come into the equation then this is going to biass his/her opinion of what is being observed.

 

This is not meant as a derrogatory comment by the way.... just basically my view of the world.

 

Now this is more interesting. Would like to hear more about both sides of this arguement - without the usual low quality input please.