RedM Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I heard that Andrew Lloyd Webber was in trouble over this, apparently he`s working on a stage show called "how do you solve a problem like Sharia" Brilliant.:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Shinto anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Shinto anyone? no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I would say "grow up," grow up and stop believing in something thats no different to Santa Claus. No presents for you again this year then Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 If the majority of people in this country have the same views as most of the people on this thread, then no wonder the country is a $hithole! People seem to constantly be slagging off religion and coming up with crap but the fact is that if it is not your religion then RESPECT other peoples views, stop making silly comments, grow up and u might actually get a genuine debate. From the people I've spoken to in my life, not that I directly talk to them about religion, but it usually comes up at some point... IMHO The vast majority in this country do not believe in religion, they may not believe in anything else, but they don't follow any God (Or Gods), but they would respect the views of people who choose to do so, if it wasn't rammed down their throats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajazyasin Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 It still amazes me why people still do not understand the proof of evolution. Evolution is proven beyond a shaddow of a doubt. It can be proven 'day in, day out' if you wanted...... take a petri dish full of bacteria.... introduce some toxic chemical or a change in environment and you will find that most of it will die.... BUT as it reproduces, there will be a small % of mutations that allow it to re-grow. This is not adaption but mutation..... and therefore evolution. Adaption would be if the existing bacteria were to not die but have an 'intelligence' to know how to overcome the toxic chemical or change in environment. Evolution is the process of mutation by total % chance that it will suit the new environment or become immune to the chemicals. Superbugs in hospitals are also proof of evolution and the fact that they are becoming resistant to anti-biotics. I choose bateria and viruses as examples because these evolution cycles are fast enough for us to notice them. Choosing animal and human evolution as examples seems to affect people's acceptance due to the large timescales involved. what shocks me is that this feable example is used as proof of evolution!! This is akin to the black and speckled moths observations of old. The mechanism at work here is NOT mutation at all. Take a petri dish full of bacteria. Expose to antibiotic. Most die. the ones that live already have imunity and mutiply to fill sample population. If bacteria dies at the hand of the antibiotic, how can it support the 'mutation' and reproduce to express it? We could go back and forward on evolution and i could knock back any example you give to prove the exsitance of. Back to topic... its all about respect. I dont have any problem with the way anyone wants to live their life. I choose to live my life to my principals. Everyone is happy:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 id rather enjoy this life than worry about the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 Everyone is happy:) *raises hand* I'm not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 *raises hand* I'm not. I always think that you look like this : http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/lolcat_caption_contest__1.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Going back to the original post, what's the net difference if both parties have to agree to the arbitration anyway? The only slight difference is that the result of the arbitration is legally binding, but seeing as it was voluntary to even go to the Sharia court in the first place, chances were you would abide by it's findings, otherwise you'd say "feck that" and not agree to it in the first place. I mean why else would you go? Not exactly a nice day out is it? So all you have to do now is not agree to it at the start and you're back to the "normal" legal system. The whole point of articles like this is to be sensational, but the result is that it ends up segregating groups of people who can't read between the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 The whole point being that the government have allowed there to be two separate judicial systems, one founded on another nations religious beliefs, can you honestly see the USA or China doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Why? Why should I respect someones religious beliefs, when they are just that, groundless beliefs that waste time, energy and human endeavour. I would say "grow up," grow up and stop believing in something thats no different to Santa Claus. They may waste time for in your opinion and be groundless beliefs etc, but i will RESPECT your views and not comment on that(isn't that hard to do really). So just because u don't believe in something u are suggesting that i should grow up and a start believing something that u believe in? U trying to convert me to your following and views? I personally dont care if u or anyone believes in santa claus, godzilla, king kong or vampires as that is there business, so why poke my nose in it and if i dont believe it then that is my view. So u see there isn't any one wrong or right as that is their own views and it is not that difficult to respect others views/opinions even if u dont believe in them(should try it sometime:innocent:). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 The whole point being that the government have allowed there to be two separate judicial systems, one founded on another nations religious beliefs, can you honestly see the USA or China doing this? Is that a joke? - Each state in America has its own laws based on the culture and religion that are dominant in that area. Going back to the original post, what's the net difference if both parties have to agree to the arbitration anyway? The only slight difference is that the result of the arbitration is legally binding, but seeing as it was voluntary to even go to the Sharia court in the first place, chances were you would abide by it's findings, otherwise you'd say "feck that" and not agree to it in the first place. I mean why else would you go? Not exactly a nice day out is it? So all you have to do now is not agree to it at the start and you're back to the "normal" legal system.: I originally heard about this on the news and it seems like a good idea. The point was that wife wants a divorce, goes to the UK courts and gets it.... Sadly in her religion she isn't divorced...allowing her to go to the Sharia court allows her to do it under her religion 2. Arbitration is wanted by this government as it reduces the burdens on the courts. Lets be honest judges want to deal with murder/rape casesas opposed to who gets the dog in a divorce. The whole point of articles like this is to be sensational, but the result is that it ends up segregating groups of people who can't read between the lines. Agree with above totally.... my view on media and their continual attempts to cause hysteria is often shouted on here so I won't do it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 findings, otherwise you'd say "feck that" and not agree to it in the first place. I think we all know that a lot of members of that society have no choice. It is not generally seen as the most tolerant society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Going back to the original post, what's the net difference if both parties have to agree to the arbitration anyway? The only slight difference is that the result of the arbitration is legally binding, but seeing as it was voluntary to even go to the Sharia court in the first place, chances were you would abide by it's findings, otherwise you'd say "feck that" and not agree to it in the first place. I mean why else would you go? Not exactly a nice day out is it? So all you have to do now is not agree to it at the start and you're back to the "normal" legal system. The whole point of articles like this is to be sensational, but the result is that it ends up segregating groups of people who can't read between the lines. I agree, but I could imagine cases where people are forced by those around them to go to a Sharia court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 what shocks me is that this feable example is used as proof of evolution!! This is akin to the black and speckled moths observations of old. The mechanism at work here is NOT mutation at all. Take a petri dish full of bacteria. Expose to antibiotic. Most die. the ones that live already have imunity and mutiply to fill sample population. If bacteria dies at the hand of the antibiotic, how can it support the 'mutation' and reproduce to express it? We could go back and forward on evolution and i could knock back any example you give to prove the exsitance of. Back to topic... its all about respect. I dont have any problem with the way anyone wants to live their life. I choose to live my life to my principals. Everyone is happy:) But the point is that when you expose bacteria to these conditions it is not a 'wipe out' scenario... I mean its not like chucking bacteria onto a fire and hoping something will survive. It is exposed to a timed condition that, if not for the fact that they have time to reproduce, that it would all stay 100% dead. So therefore these experiments give the bateria enough time to go through a determined number of reproduction cycles.. or reproduction time, and it allows for the small % of bacteria that mutate. So what is observed is that they predict the mutation % and then watch as 100% of the original bacteria die.... but before all the original bacteria is dead.... one (or more) reproduction cycles have occurred.... and what is obseved is that a small % is able to survive. This experiment can be shown as evolution because of the fact that if the experiment is done over a short time... ie. NOT allowing any reproduction cycles... then what is observed is that 100% of the bateria die and NOTHING ever grows in petri dish afterwards. But for allowing the mutation to occur through the reproduction cycles then the minute amount of bacteria that is produced and is able to survive then fills the petri dish again. This is also how big pharmaceutical companies design new expensive drugs etc. And it is also how the MRSA bug is able to survive and how our designed anti-boitics are not able to wipe it out so effectively. And it is also the reason why doctors up and down the country do not issue anti-boitics left right and centre.... for the reason that the more the human population use anti-boitics then more and more virusses mutate and find ways of overcomming it.... creating 'super-bugs'. This is in fact simple proof of evolution and because the 'short time' experiments (as decribed above) show that ALL of the original bacteria die... then it is proof that it is NOT adaption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 They may waste time for in your opinion and be groundless beliefs etc, but i will RESPECT your views and not comment on that(isn't that hard to do really). So just because u don't believe in something u are suggesting that i should grow up and a start believing something that u believe in? U trying to convert me to your following and views? I personally dont care if u or anyone believes in santa claus, godzilla, king kong or vampires as that is there business, so why poke my nose in it and if i dont believe it then that is my view. So u see there isn't any one wrong or right as that is their own views and it is not that difficult to respect others views/opinions even if u dont believe in them(should try it sometime:innocent:). I believe in the letter Y and the letter O, I believe they should be combined with the letter U when wanting to say "you" - please respect my beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Is that a joke? - Each state in America has its own laws based on the culture and religion that are dominant in that area. QUOTE] You missed the point completely, can you imagine the reaction of any state if the government said, you now have to include a new set of laws for this or that nations religion, i don't think so:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dont know why everyone is getting worked up about it, there is feck all you can do to make a blind bit of difference. Why bother argueing about it. Its similar to the rants about petrol prices going up, its going to happen wether you like it or not and whinging about it here isnt going to change it one iota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dont know why everyone is getting worked up about it, there is feck all you can do to make a blind bit of difference. Why bother argueing about it. Its similar to the rants about petrol prices going up, its going to happen wether you like it or not and whinging about it here isnt going to change it one iota Well said and absoultley true, not me, YOU (just for micheal) tom, dick or harry can change it. So love it or loathe it but its happening as we type and at the end of the day there are a lot more and i mean by millions of people involved in religion compared to the small odd number of people against it on this board. So as they say majority rules, so the minority of people on here can keep whinging all day and night but it is not going to change $hite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 So as they say majority rules, so the minority of people on here can keep whinging all day and night but it is not going to change $hite! I'd say the religious types are a minority in this country so if thats the case why are we still spending money on pointless houses of faith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 TBH I can't see what the fuss is about. The Sharia "courts" will have no jurisdiction over anybody without their consent. It will only apply to parties that are seeking a form of arbitration that cannot be sought anywhere else because of the individuals religious beliefs. It does not, and never will supercede any laws of England & Wales or those imposed on us by the EU and IMO the typical knee jerk reaction expressed by some on here just goes to show what an ignorant, intolerant society we live in. The Beth Din (Jewish Courts) have existed for some considerable time in this country, yet I don't see anyone calling heracy because there is a court in existance which is seperate to HMCS. Muslims first settled in the UK over 400 years ago, the first mosque was built over 140 years ago. I expect that there has been some form of Sharia one way or another, but by having it recognised officially means that its findings can be monitored and recorded instead of it being underground, causing yet more mistrust. These courts will not affect 99.99% of people but at least it is there now officially for those that cannot seek redress elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dont know why everyone is getting worked up about it, there is feck all you can do to make a blind bit of difference. Why bother argueing about it. Its similar to the rants about petrol prices going up, its going to happen wether you like it or not and whinging about it here isnt going to change it one iota Puah, this thing always annoyed me, it's so pathetic to say that no one can change things blabla cry cry winge winge... Go tell that to the people who resisted during WWII when everybody else did fcukall about it. Imagine a world full of people lilke you "nothing to do about anything". Like mentioned in previous posts, some countries would never accept something like the sharia law in parallel with the "normal" one. Why is that? Maybe because the people who inhabit those countries hare something to say about it? I think so. This government have you guys by the balls, because YOU do nothing about it. I remember a few years ago the Greek government tried to increase the bread price which is regulated. It almost resulted in a civil war... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Puah, this thing always annoyed me, it's so pathetic to say that no one can change things blabla cry cry winge winge... Go tell that to the people who resisted during WWII when everybody else did fcukall about it. Imagine a world full of people lilke you "nothing to do about anything". Like mentioned in previous posts, some countries would never accept something like the sharia law in parallel with the "normal" one. Why is that? Maybe because the people who inhabit those countries hare something to say about it? I think so. This government have you guys by the balls, because YOU do nothing about it. I remember a few years ago the Greek government tried to increase the bread price which is regulated. It almost resulted in a civil war... My post was ironic, I am with you on this. What is the point of bleating on here, it ain't going to change jack!! A million people marched through London to protest against the Hunting Bill, jack happened. You can protest all you want and end up in prison under the anti terrorism laws, it can happen or you can spout about religious intolerance and they turn a blind eye, go figure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendor Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 "TBH I can't see what the fuss is about. The Sharia "courts" will have no jurisdiction over anybody without their consent." "I could imagine cases where people are forced by those around them to go to a Sharia court." Hmmmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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