Supra and Ultima GTR?

[TrevS]

Not with that price from scatch man, unless you cheap out on parts but hey it your gonna build this sort of car, dont cheap out or itll bite you in the butt later.

 

For my last rebuilt/swap project took me nearly double the amount that I was aiming for...so yes little things will add up and before you know it ur pockets are empty and ur just halfway there...

 

Yeah the budget will be the real thing that makes this project happen or not. I have spoken to a company about the bmw v10 option and they are confident that it can be done but would require a few bespoke components and have offered to help me with the build which is good. But I need to sit down wih the calculator and see if I can realistically do it.

 

The one good thing is that you can spend and build at your own pace and as you can afford it, so yes the car will end up costing alot but its not all paid out at once.

[jevansio]

996 Turbos aren't in the same league, try this for starters:

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=544410&nmt=VMax%20Typhoon%20Speeds

 

When you have digested the fact that an Ultima GTR pulled 171 and various 996 Turbos pulled in the 180's then look at what an Ultima GTR 625 can pull (claimed by him) 187, then look what a tuned 911 can pull (190, 195, 196 & 201).

 

Then you're going round some typical English country roads, bumpy (not some smooth track), and see which end of a 996 Turbo you'll be looking at, you think you'll be able to stick with a 911 Turbo?????

 

So where exactly do you think a GTR would be quicker, let me guess, on a perfectly flat runway where you've read the Ultima gets the World Record for the best 0 - 100 - 0.

 

Trev, I'm not being a dick here but hell get an Ultima if you wanna brag down the pub, if you wanna get home first afterwards over the North Yorkshire Moors I know my weapon of choice.

 

PS whose gearbox will you be using anyway

[Guest zky]

Yeah the budget will be the real thing that makes this project happen or not. I have spoken to a company about the bmw v10 option and they are confident that it can be done but would require a few bespoke components and have offered to help me with the build which is good. But I need to sit down wih the calculator and see if I can realistically do it.

 

The one good thing is that you can spend and build at your own pace and as you can afford it, so yes the car will end up costing alot but its not all paid out at once.

 

 

Ahh I see youve got a lending hand...yes of coz you can built the car at ur pace, Im just saying this project will cost more than what you've said and with the v10 option, it will be quite unlrealistically to be done at £30k-40k. If you get discounted for parts then it might be possible but with standard prices..I wouldnt think so.

 

But hell, if you decided to go ahead then I demand pictures on every update...

[Swampy442]

Radical all the way...

[francis]

I've been looking at Ultima's recently too. I went along to thier open day a month back... they're amazing cars, look fantastic and in terms of speed there's very little that can touch them. After talking with a few owners and looking around several examples I decided they weren't for me - like people have mentioned, too many engine problems and they're a bit too much of a hobbyist's car for me, especially living in central London. All that said I'd love to have one when I have a bit more money and space!

 

I've gone back to the idea of an Ariel Atom just finding it difficult to justify spending so much on a car now with the "crunch"

[Syed Shah]

996 Turbos aren't in the same league, try this for starters:

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=544410&nmt=VMax%20Typhoon%20Speeds

 

When you have digested the fact that an Ultima GTR pulled 171 and various 996 Turbos pulled in the 180's then look at what an Ultima GTR 625 can pull (claimed by him) 187, then look what a tuned 911 can pull (190, 195, 196 & 201).

 

Then you're going round some typical English country roads, bumpy (not some smooth track), and see which end of a 996 Turbo you'll be looking at, you think you'll be able to stick with a 911 Turbo?????

 

So where exactly do you think a GTR would be quicker, let me guess, on a perfectly flat runway where you've read the Ultima gets the World Record for the best 0 - 100 - 0.

 

Trev, I'm not being a dick here but hell get an Ultima if you wanna brag down the pub, if you wanna get home first afterwards over the North Yorkshire Moors I know my weapon of choice.

 

PS whose gearbox will you be using anyway

 

 

The 911 is very capable, true. But the 996 turbo has FMS problems - if it breaks, it will make 1/2 an Ultima build look cheap!

 

Also, compare the cost of those RUF/GT 911s, in price alone he won't be able to afford one with the budget he has!

 

A well built Ultima is an awesome machine. Will it be at home keeping up the a 996 turbo in the wet on a bumpy road? No. But if that is what you want, I will take an old Evo/Scoob any day, waste the Porsche in said conditions; and leave the rest in the bank!

[Thorin]

How about a Westfield XTR2 (or 4)?

 

I like them.

 

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3747/aleslry3.jpg

[TrevS]

996 Turbos aren't in the same league, try this for starters:

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=544410&nmt=VMax%20Typhoon%20Speeds

 

When you have digested the fact that an Ultima GTR pulled 171 and various 996 Turbos pulled in the 180's then look at what an Ultima GTR 625 can pull (claimed by him) 187, then look what a tuned 911 can pull (190, 195, 196 & 201).

 

Then you're going round some typical English country roads, bumpy (not some smooth track), and see which end of a 996 Turbo you'll be looking at, you think you'll be able to stick with a 911 Turbo?????

 

So where exactly do you think a GTR would be quicker, let me guess, on a perfectly flat runway where you've read the Ultima gets the World Record for the best 0 - 100 - 0.

 

Trev, I'm not being a dick here but hell get an Ultima if you wanna brag down the pub, if you wanna get home first afterwards over the North Yorkshire Moors I know my weapon of choice.

 

PS whose gearbox will you be using anyway

 

I hear what your saying, the 911 is probably the more usable car on 90% of roads, but I know which car would be more fun to drive home, and it doesn't come from germany.

 

Anyway, as for the gearbox I have found a company that are producing a custom smg 7 speed box and transaxle based on the standard m5/m6 gearbox. They are also looking to fit the idrive system to their current build and stick with the standard bmw ECU.

 

The problem with the v10 is that its a complicated engine so they want to retain as much of the bmw components as possible and then once the car is running they can look a weak areas and possible modifications.

 

It would be perfect if they could transplant most of the m5 options for engine and gearbox as it would in theory allow the driver to change the cars power, gearbox feriousity and throttle response. So 400bhp for regular driving and then turn it up to 500bhp (m mode) at the touch of a button. Would certainly help preserve the engines life and make slower driving easier with less power to worry about.

 

Also with the smg style paddle shift box it would make the car a little bit faster in a straight line as the shift times are reduced.

[TrevS]

I've been looking at Ultima's recently too. I went along to thier open day a month back... they're amazing cars, look fantastic and in terms of speed there's very little that can touch them. After talking with a few owners and looking around several examples I decided they weren't for me - like people have mentioned, too many engine problems and they're a bit too much of a hobbyist's car for me, especially living in central London. All that said I'd love to have one when I have a bit more money and space!

 

I've gone back to the idea of an Ariel Atom just finding it difficult to justify spending so much on a car now with the "crunch"

 

I know what your saying about engine problems, I too have heard that the american v8's aren't perfect and a lot of owners are always fixing little problems. That's why I think fitting a modern bmw engine would possibly iron out the reliability issues (fingers crossed). The V10 is an amazing engine, you only need to look at how many awards its won.

 

2005

Best New Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

International Engine of the Year 2005: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

 

2006

Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10

Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10

International Engine of the Year 2006: BMW 5-litre V10

 

2007

Best Performance Engine: BMW 5-litre V10

Above 4-litre: BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

[TrevS]

How about a Westfield XTR2 (or 4)?

 

I like them.

 

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3747/aleslry3.jpg

 

 

No roof, so again even more impractical, plus I don't fancy having to wear a helmet all the time. Also for a longer drive to somewhere like lemans that westfield would be a killer. Can't imagine the ultima would be too much better but at least it has some storage space and you'd be a little more comfortable, you can even do your weekly shop in one, sort of

 

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/company/pics/faq2.jpg

 

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/company/pics/faq3.jpg

 

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/company/pics/faq4.jpg

[paul mac]

 

I think thats the point some of you are missing. The ultima would be a one off, made to my specification, using materials I want, powerplant i want etc (budget allowing). Then what I am left with is a hypercar that I made with my own hands that is purpose built for me.

 

100% with you there bud, this is exactly my thinking, i have modded the hell out of my Supra to the point when my new engine goes in i've pretty much reached the end of the line, the next logical step for me is then to do the "ultimate modification" and build something, this is what i am looking at, Factory five GTM and before anyone starts yes i know it wont be to everyones taste, same basic layout and weight as the Ultima but without the out and out race car look, oh and it has a window that works as well

[TrevS]

100% with you there bud, this is exactly my thinking, i have modded the hell out of my Supra to the point when my new engine goes in i've pretty much reached the end of the line, the next logical step for me is then to do the "ultimate modification" and build something, this is what i am looking at, Factory five GTM and before anyone starts yes i know it wont be to everyones taste, same basic layout and weight as the Ultima but without the out and out race car look, oh and it has a window that works as well

 

Looked in the GTM also. there are some nice examples of the car out there but talking to some ultima owners who have started GTM's they say the kit in of inferior quality and not great. Also I don't like the fact that the company that make them are in the US. At least with Ultima the factory is only 15mins up the road and they have like 10years experience building the cars so you know the chances of problems with the Ultima are much smaller the the GTM.

 

Anyways here a really nice looking one though:

[paul mac]

Looked in the GTM also. there are some nice examples of the car out there but talking to some ultima owners who have started GTM's they say the kit in of inferior quality and not great. Also I don't like the fact that the company that make them are in the US. At least with Ultima the factory is only 15mins up the road and they have like 10years experience building the cars so you know the chances of problems with the Ultima are much smaller the the GTM.

 

Anyways here a really nice looking one though:

 

yes know what your saying mate, i dont think the GTM would hold its value like the Ultima as well and the other "slight" issue is the lack of a right hand drive option but hey i said i wanted a challenge

[scooby_doo_do]

I was told by my mechanic, that to build an ultima from new parts will cost about £60k, that excludes the paint and the engine and the 1000 hours to build. - Obviously i don't know how true that is as i bought a second hand one but it's still quite a cost.

 

I think the second hand price of the ultima's won't reduce that much, but it'll be harder to find a buyer. At the end of the day i think there's only about 40 ultima spyders in the world, so if someone wants one, they'll pay the money.

 

I've been out in mine today - it's great.. And the best thing about it is that even i can fix it as it's all so simple ;-). One set of Alan keys and you can dismantle it. lol.

 

The engine is a 5.7 v8 chevy lump which chugs along nicely, creating it's own ozone layer ;-)

[Westy]

i love the ultima gtr but have recently found the factory five gtm supercar :

 

http://www.factoryfive.com/gtm/gallery/ls6/images/IMG_3469.jpg

 

i dont know if its avalible in right hand drive

it looks good uses a corvette engine and same Porsche G50 transaxle as the ultima gtr.

its styling resembles a ford gt /gt40

what do u rekon of this car ?

[AlexM]

i love the ultima gtr but have recently found the factory five gtm supercar :

 

..*snip*

 

i dont know if its avalible in right hand drive

it looks good uses a corvette engine and same Porsche G50 transaxle as the ultima gtr.

its styling resembles a ford gt /gt40

what do u rekon of this car ?

 

Well just from reading the thread, it's left hand drive only, and the kit is reportedly of inferior quality to the ultima.

 

Looks nice though.

[jevansio]

I hear what your saying, the 911 is probably the more usable car on 90% of roads, but I know which car would be more fun to drive home, and it doesn't come from germany.

 

Anyway, as for the gearbox I have found a company that are producing a custom smg 7 speed box and transaxle based on the standard m5/m6 gearbox. They are also looking to fit the idrive system to their current build and stick with the standard bmw ECU.

 

The problem with the v10 is that its a complicated engine so they want to retain as much of the bmw components as possible and then once the car is running they can look a weak areas and possible modifications.

 

It would be perfect if they could transplant most of the m5 options for engine and gearbox as it would in theory allow the driver to change the cars power, gearbox feriousity and throttle response. So 400bhp for regular driving and then turn it up to 500bhp (m mode) at the touch of a button. Would certainly help preserve the engines life and make slower driving easier with less power to worry about.

 

Also with the smg style paddle shift box it would make the car a little bit faster in a straight line as the shift times are reduced.

Trev it sounds like you want to build something really special so an Ultima sounds like a perfect way to achieve that, you're not going to get that feeling from buying a 911.

 

PS sorry if my post came across a little defensive, a certain other post last night really got my goat

[AlexM]

If you do decide to get one Trev, I'd be very interested in seeing what you get and potentially helping out with the build (I want a ride when it's finished though).

[paul mac]

Well just from reading the thread, it's left hand drive only, and the kit is reportedly of inferior quality to the ultima.

 

Looks nice though.

 

nice to see someones paying attension

[jevansio]

The 911 is very capable, true. But the 996 turbo has FMS problems - if it breaks, it will make 1/2 an Ultima build look cheap!

 

Also, compare the cost of those RUF/GT 911s, in price alone he won't be able to afford one with the budget he has!

 

A well built Ultima is an awesome machine. Will it be at home keeping up the a 996 turbo in the wet on a bumpy road? No. But if that is what you want, I will take an old Evo/Scoob any day, waste the Porsche in said conditions; and leave the rest in the bank!

Syed, a quick correction , the 996 Turbo does not suffer at all from FMS problems, it's block is based on that of the GT1 race car & is bullet proof. You are thinking of the Carrera 2 & 4 models which is a different engine

 

ROFL at the old Evo/Scooby comment, you obviously haven't got a clue

 

Right, you think a stock Evo/Scooby could leave a stock 996 Turbo, think again, it would get WASTED. So you spend money speccing up your Evo/Scooby, it's going to take some money getting one to WASTE a stock 996 Turbo. Then see what it's like keeping the 2 cars going, the Porka will look after itself, the Evo/Scooby will drain your funds just like any other spec'd up Jap car does. SO how much money do you think you will have in the bank afterwards?

 

Sorry if I keep on ranting on here, but lately it seems as if people on here talk out their arse without any knowledge on what they're talking about

[TrevS]

If you do decide to get one Trev, I'd be very interested in seeing what you get and potentially helping out with the build (I want a ride when it's finished though).

 

Thanks for the offer Alex I will keep you all informed of what I decide to go for.

[Gaz6002]

Syed, a quick correction , the 996 Turbo does not suffer at all from FMS problems, it's block is based on that of the GT1 race car & is bullet proof. You are thinking of the Carrera 2 & 4 models which is a different engine

 

ROFL at the old Evo/Scooby comment, you obviously haven't got a clue

 

Right, you think a stock Evo/Scooby could leave a stock 996 Turbo, think again, it would get WASTED. So you spend money speccing up your Evo/Scooby, it's going to take some money getting one to WASTE a stock 996 Turbo. Then see what it's like keeping the 2 cars going, the Porka will look after itself, the Evo/Scooby will drain your funds just like any other spec'd up Jap car does. SO how much money do you think you will have in the bank afterwards?

 

Sorry if I keep on ranting on here, but lately it seems as if people on here talk out their arse without any knowledge on what they're talking about

 

Great post.

[Syed Shah]

Syed, a quick correction , the 996 Turbo does not suffer at all from FMS problems, it's block is based on that of the GT1 race car & is bullet proof. You are thinking of the Carrera 2 & 4 models which is a different engine

 

ROFL at the old Evo/Scooby comment, you obviously haven't got a clue

 

Right, you think a stock Evo/Scooby could leave a stock 996 Turbo, think again, it would get WASTED. So you spend money speccing up your Evo/Scooby, it's going to take some money getting one to WASTE a stock 996 Turbo. Then see what it's like keeping the 2 cars going, the Porka will look after itself, the Evo/Scooby will drain your funds just like any other spec'd up Jap car does. SO how much money do you think you will have in the bank afterwards?

 

Sorry if I keep on ranting on here, but lately it seems as if people on here talk out their arse without any knowledge on what they're talking about

 

 

 

You are right, I forgot that they used the old block, and are dry sumped?

 

 

Hmm, I have driven quite a few modded Evos and Scoobs (Did I say stock? No, so don't try and put words in my mouth, ta), on a wet bumpy road, as specified, a 996 turbo won't see what way one has gone.

 

The 996 is a great car, don't get you panties in a knot over it. You pointed out, it is superior in such conditions to an Ultima (and many other very fast cars too....), I simply added that the 996 turbo is not king of the hill in such conditions, and it is not.

 

Horses for courses. I would have the 996 turbo over the Evo, and an Ultima over both, but each has its best areas.

[jevansio]

You are right, I forgot that they used the old block, and are dry sumped?

 

 

Hmm, I have driven quite a few modded Evos and Scoobs (Did I say stock? No, so don't try and put words in my mouth, ta), on a wet bumpy road, as specified, a 996 turbo won't see what way one has gone.

 

The 996 is a great car, don't get you panties in a knot over it. You pointed out, it is superior in such conditions to an Ultima (and many other very fast cars too....), I simply added that the 996 turbo is not king of the hill in such conditions, and it is not.

 

Horses for courses. I would have the 996 turbo over the Evo, and an Ultima over both, but each has its best areas.

Have you driven a 996 Turbo hard on wet roads?

 

Also my panties aren't in a twist, I just get sick of all the Porsche hatred on here, people think they can chuck a couple of grand at a Jap car & beat one of these things. My mate had an Evo MR (modded) before he got his 996 Turbo. He was worried when he was looking at Porsches that it wouldn't be a patch on handling compared to the Evo. He made the leap anyway and said immediately the Porsche had the edge over his Evo round the twisties (North Yorks Helmsley road to be precise).

[TrevS]

Have you driven a 996 Turbo hard on wet roads?

 

Also my panties aren't in a twist, I just get sick of all the Porsche hatred on here, people think they can chuck a couple of grand at a Jap car & beat one of these things. My mate had an Evo MR (modded) before he got his 996 Turbo. He was worried when he was looking at Porsches that it wouldn't be a patch on handling compared to the Evo. He made the leap anyway and said immediately the Porsche had the edge over his Evo round the twisties (North Yorks Helmsley road to be precise).

 

Well Ill stick up for 911 porsches if you like, I think they are awesome. Like I said in the original post if I don't go for an Ultima for whatever reason then a 911 will be at the top of my list.