Gazboy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 The trouble with that, isn't the FIA in charge of all motorsport? So they'd still be able to penalise him for anything they liked Nope, except for GP's the have no authority in America, Asia and Australia, FIA s primarily a European body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Lewis chose to go onto the run-off area, the move was never on. If there had been an armco barrier there, he would have tucked in behind KR. He gained an advantage from using the run-off area, McLaren knew that, that's why they asked Charlie for his opinion. Get rid of the tarmac run-offs, put gravel traps back in. It'll be much better. I am pi$$ed off too about the penalty, once again the FIA come down on everyone except Ferrari. In this situation a fine woudl have been more than enough, after all Kimi blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Ruined by the FIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Lewis chose to go onto the run-off area, the move was never on. If there had been an armco barrier there, he would have tucked in behind KR. He gained an advantage from using the run-off area, McLaren knew that, that's why they asked Charlie for his opinion. Get rid of the tarmac run-offs, put gravel traps back in. It'll be much better. Mclaren released telemetary that shows LH was 6kph slower over the start line- so where is the advantage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Gordon, Where does the advantage end though? Lewis let Kimi back past. So when is he allowed to re attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Mclaren released telemetary that shows LH was 6kph slower over the start line- so where is the advantage? I guess with the momentum coming out the corer LH was able to stay close enough to Kimi and not be affected by the tubulent air. However Kimi did go past, the FIA make (up) the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I guess with the momentum coming out the corer LH was able to stay close enough to Kimi and not be affected by the tubulent air. Turbulent air is a boost in a straight line, a hole in the air decreases drag allows the car to go faster. In corners though that lack of air reduces downforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Kimi's car was setup with more downforce that Lewis'. In the speed traps Kimi was some 5kmh slower than Lewis. This is why Kimi was consistantly fastest through the second sector of the lap where cornering apex speed was key, not out right speed. Lewis was able to gain on Kimi once aero grip was reduced by the weather, cause they had to drive slower. Ahh right, that makes sense, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 And when the run across the tarmac began LH was just about to do an overtake anyway, he was so close that letting him through after the bend only took him back where he started or even further behind, to then overtake again is just carrying on what was happening before the incident! He gained no advantage at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Heads up: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=581283&nmt=Petition%20against%20Hamiltons%20penalty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Gordon, Where does the advantage end though? Lewis let Kimi back past. So when is he allowed to re attack? Alex, it was too easy for him to get past. You cannot take to the run-off and then pass the guy in front about 400m later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Signed up to that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Alex, it was too easy for him to get past. You cannot take to the run-off and then pass the guy in front about 400m later. Can you not? I only ask because I'm not an armchair expert on the regulations and rules of F1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Oh come on Gord, he was on his gearbox if he was side by side at the previous corner!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Surely Kimi should be penalised some grid place in Monza for crashing into the back of Hamilton at the first corner. Surely an 'avoidable accident' if there ever was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Me too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Gordon, Where does the advantage end though? Lewis let Kimi back past. So when is he allowed to re attack? Once a Ferrari's won the race... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Signed up to that one. #1792 1858 when I started this post. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Oh come on Gord, he was on his gearbox if he was side by side at the previous corner!!! Think of it as a drag race Alex. KR comes round a 90 degree bend before he starts., LH starts from behind but in a straight line. So KR is ahead at the control line but LH shoots past a couple of hundred metres later. Having had experience of stewards at FIA events, I could see this coming a mile off, Surprised McLaren didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Turbulent air is a boost in a straight line, a hole in the air decreases drag allows the car to go faster. In corners though that lack of air reduces downforce. Very true, however the point I am getting at is, IF LH had followed the correct line of the chicane (not necessarily right behind Kimi) he would never have been that close the Kimi, this is why I made the comment of momentum as he was in his slipstream from the word go really, IF he did come out the corner normally the turbulant air would have slightly hampered LH (why do you think F1 can be so boring? As F1 cars hate turbulant air hampering overtaking.). However to be honest even if he did come out of the chicane behind Kimi I do not think it would have been many corners before LH passed him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Plus the fact that after Kimi was passed by Lewis. he did manage to get back in front again, only to lose it when he was well in front of Lewis. (Allowing Lewis to pass him again) When he finally stuffed it into the wall, he was already a couple of seconds behind lewis, wasn't he? I'd say too much happened between the incident for which Lewis was penalised and Kimi finally crashing into the wall for Lewis's excursion across the grass to have had any effect on the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Plus the fact that after Kimi was passed by Lewis. he did manage to get back in front again, only to lose it when he was well in front of Lewis. (Allowing Lewis to pass him again) When he finally stuffed it into the wall, he was already a couple of seconds behind lewis, wasn't he? I'd say too much happened between the incident for which Lewis was penalised and Kimi finally crashing into the wall for Lewis's excursion across the grass to have had any effect on the result. Another good post Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Very true, however the point I am getting at is, IF LH had followed the correct line of the chicane (not necessarily right behind Kimi) he would never have been that close the Kimi, this is why I made the comment of momentum as he was in his slipstream from the word go really, IF he did come out the corner normally the turbulant air would have slightly hampered LH (why do you think F1 can be so boring? As F1 cars hate turbulant air hampering overtaking.). However to be honest even if he did come out of the chicane behind Kimi I do not think it would have been many corners before LH passed him anyway. Turbulence isn't a real factor in a 50mph chicane though. And Lewis would have had him at the end of the next straight. As Soop says it all balanced out in the end, I can't see why this is even an issue...after all the advantage Kimi got from driving off the circuit. Whether this is just or not, there is a massive issue with law's and law enforcement in F1 and all it does is annoy the spectators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Turbulence isn't a real factor in a 50mph chicane though. And Lewis would have had him at the end of the next straight. As Soop says it all balanced out in the end, I can't see why this is even an issue...after all the advantage Kimi got from driving off the circuit. Whether this is just or not, there is a massive issue with law's and law enforcement in F1 and all it does is annoy the spectators. And tarnish the reputation of the sport. The FIA will sink their own ship if they're not careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Just for clarity can someone remind me of what happened after the disputed lead swap? As I understand it LH went over the grass while in the lead allowing KR to regain the lead. It was then that KR went off for good. Am I right? If I am then how does the Bus-Stop overtake even figure in things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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