Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Customer car, same turbine blade erosion as the rest. Has anyone got a proper, GENUINE ALL GARRETT one of these in use, bought from a proper Garrtett agent in the UK, not some US hybrid thing? Still convinced some of these are diesel turbos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Customer car, same turbine blade erosion as the rest. Has anyone got a proper, GENUINE ALL GARRETT one of these in use, bought from a proper Garrtett agent in the UK, not some US hybrid thing? Still convinced some of these are diesel turbos... If Garrett supply me an original one I'll happily try it for them Seriously though, Garrett may take the stance "what do you expect when buying knock off's from the US", but these "knock off's" may end up generating a reputation that will damage sales of original 4088's just because of the stigma associated with them. I certainly wouldn't buy another (even an original from Garrett themselves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Im pretty sure SteveL is running a genuine Garrett uk supplied GT4088 in his time attack car, will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 So were these turbos original Garrets or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Im pretty sure SteveL is running a genuine Garrett uk supplied GT4088 in his time attack car, will be interesting to see how he gets on with it. I guess if it's going to show up any weaknesses that's as good a car as any for doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have no idea if mine is genuine or not, but I expect it to go bang sooner or later. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Mine is genuine Garrett with a Precision coldside. Done lots of mapping and five track days. Looked fine last time it was stripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 The only ones I will buy are 100% Garrett through and through, in a Honeywell Garrett box, from Owens or BTN (the 2 main official Garrett turbo distributors in the UK). I seem to see nothing but problems from these hybrid things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajazyasin Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 as Jevansio said, its unfirtunate they are getting a rep that they 'may' not deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I think the problem ones are mean't for diesels. The problem is, normal punters don't know that till they arrive. Just to repeat, those with GT4088R's that are watercooled are not included in the "4088" hall of shame. The GT4088R's are genuine as AFAIK we've not seen one go the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I think the problem ones are mean't for diesels. The problem is, normal punters don't know that till they arrive. Just to repeat, those with GT4088R's that are watercooled are not included in the "4088" hall of shame. The GT4088R's are genuine as AFAIK we've not seen one go the same way. Both mine were watercooled R versions, the 1st was totally destroyed, & my current one that although is perfectly fine is starting to show small signs of the onset of this damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) Both mine were watercooled R versions, the 1st was totally destroyed, & my current one that although is perfectly fine is starting to show small signs of the onset of this damage Hmmm...interesting, I wasn't aware. Who supplied them? And who mapped your car? Edited August 28, 2008 by Alex (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Jay WAS a little... keen with the 2 step on the first tubby though lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 If youre constantly having trouble Chris why dont you just junt the Garrett unit and go for something else? Im still convinced this is caused by poor material specs causing turbine creep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Although mine is SH, it is still fine, only running 1.0 bar though with low EGTs, Asked a turbo specialist about the problem, and they checked the Garrett specs for both the normal and the R version and the turbine wheel is the same type and material for both, however the exhaust housing is different, make of that what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Hmmm...interesting, I wasn't aware. Who supplied them? And who mapped your car? They both came from Precision (via Michel), Dan Turner mapped my car for the majority of the 1st turbo, I ran 2 Step & had EGT's of over 1000 where I suspect most of the damage was done (the turbo was white which I believe is a sign of HOT temps). Ryan is now mapping it for the 2nd turbo, I don't run 2 Step, biggest EGT is 925 in turbo and although it had 1 or 2 nibbles the turbo wasn't showing any of the signs of high temps that the 1st one did. I still think given long enough this one will go the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I know from seeing photos of the 4088 and a BL T67 that the blades on the 4088 are much thinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 If youre constantly having trouble Chris why dont you just junt the Garrett unit and go for something else? Im still convinced this is caused by poor material specs causing turbine creep. I'm not having any trouble I suggested to the customer to use a genuine Garrett turbo on one of Arnout's cast manifolds, and quoted verbatim what would happen with a Yank turbo and a Chinese tubular manifold. Within 5000 miles the manifolds blown once, now it's cracked, and the turbo itself is knackered... A real shame, the car is one of the cleanest and un *uggered about with in the UK, and the customer is a nice guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have a genuine garret from the US, wrong fecking flange mind, but its genuine all the same, I have pics of the stamp on my other laptop, dont they all come with Genuine Garrett Part No.s between the compressor and the turbine housing and garret stamps all over the place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have a genuine garret from the US, wrong fecking flange mind, but its genuine all the same, I have pics of the stamp on my other laptop, dont they all come with Genuine Garrett Part No.s between the compressor and the turbine housing and garret stamps all over the place? Did you buy from Garrett USA or a trader? anything can be copied these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 This was a Precision turbo, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Wow. As a newbie, there is just no way I'd throw good money into this conversion. Nic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) A U.S trader on here, came in a Garret box, tbh I do believe its genuine, it would have to be a very good fake - I agree this could easily be done for the money but then when does it stop? Garrett U.K will undoubtedly be getting them from the U.S whos to say Vin Diesel and his gang didnt swap the shipment:d I trust the trader although not his competancy at times;) If it is fake then all those Motec pieces, GReddy, HKS, Innovate, Full Race and all the rest of the brand gang would surely be under question - he must be good with stickers lol Edited August 28, 2008 by bolarbag (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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