Homer Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Bit of an odd question, but I need to know what fluids need to be in the car to start it (and no one say petrol ) Tomorrow it will have: - engine oil - engine coolant - diff oil It does not yet have: - any brake fluid - any clutch fluid - any gearbox oil - and PAS fluid Can I start it as-is, or do I need to put in some of the above? I expect gear oil and possibly PAS fluid at least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Gearbox and p/s oil for sure, unless its in gear, no need for clutch fluid. If its only a short run no real need for water either and as you have no clutch or brakes Im guessing youre going nowhere so diff oil isnt essential either lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 Okidoki, will fill the PAS system Is g/b oil needed if only to run it for 10-20 seconds? Was hoping to start it this weekend, but am having problems sourcing the right oil for it locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 for 10-20 secs i'd have thought what remains on the gear box innards should be enough...............also i'd have thought if you remove the aux belt then the PS can be left dry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Theres alot of bearings in a gearbox, if its a short run personally I cant see the harm but always best to err on the side of caution. Same goes with the p/s system, if its 10 to 20 secs will be fine, but pumps dont like to be run dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 i'm not to sure about running the gearbox empty and besides halfords etc will have oil thats ok for the 5 speed.... The power steering pump though is powered by the main aux belt............so no belt and it won't spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Blood, sweat and tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Blood, sweat and tears. Machine Head fan, eh Pete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 I find petrol usually needs to be there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 If you are running it with the aux belt PS fluid would be a good idea as it will be rotating pretty fast. If you are going to do a quick start and switch off then you could leave the aux belt off and not worry about PS fluid. For such a short duration no oil in the gear box will not be a problem, even with some drag from the clutch the output shaft would not turn many times and with no load it should be fine. Good to hear its ready to run. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Both auto and manual NEED lubricant in them, even for a brief start. Autos more than manuals, but I wouldn't risk either, even for a few seconds. PAs needs fluid, brakes and clutch no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 Good advice as always The bake and clutch fluid is in and bled out (which was surprisingly easy!), but am having problems getting the PAS and gear oil in. Either way they'll be filled before trying to start it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 PAS: Fill to an inch of the top, it may slowly go down over a period of a few hours, but otherwise have someone top it as soon as the engine runs, the pump will send it around the system and the level will drop. Move steering very slowly lock to lock several times, It'll foam up, and the pump will be noisy, the level will drop again. Top it up, leave it overnight, run and if needed top again, and it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 PAS: Fill to an inch of the top, it may slowly go down over a period of a few hours, but otherwise have someone top it as soon as the engine runs, the pump will send it around the system and the level will drop. Move steering very slowly lock to lock several times, It'll foam up, and the pump will be noisy, the level will drop again. Top it up, leave it overnight, run and if needed top again, and it's done. The entire system is empty. With everything connected up I filled the reservoir up, but it didn't drain to the rest of the system. I presume this is due to the air pressure in the system not allowing it to fill (i.e. massive air lock). DO I need to vent the return line to air and block off the return on the reservoir to allow it to fill? Or can I manually turn the PAS pump to get the fluid moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Just start it and top up as required. Will need topping again after an over night rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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