dangerous brain Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Give my mate rob harmer a ring at bournemouth CIO he can sign ya right up lol. I agree though be very prepared for a lot of people telling you that its crap now and nothing like it was years ago etc (that would be because it is crap now and nothing like it used to be) I did 16 years and banged out early. My best mate left last year early, all of the people I now work with banged out early and a huge percentage of the people I know that are still in are in the process of banging out. Just to put it into perspective for you they used to have to (don't know if they still do) pay navy pilots a huge bonus in order to stop them leaving as moral is sooooo bad. The last defence review stated that moral had never been worse in the RAF especially amongst the commissioned aircrew. So aim high. With everyone leaving in droves you are more than likely to be in charge of the whole airforce in a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 Give my mate rob harmer a ring at bournemouth CIO he can sign ya right up lol. I agree though be very prepared for a lot of people telling you that its crap now and nothing like it was years ago etc (that would be because it is crap now and nothing like it used to be) I did 16 years and banged out early. My best mate left last year early, all of the people I now work with banged out early and a huge percentage of the people I know that are still in are in the process of banging out. Just to put it into perspective for you they used to have to (don't know if they still do) pay navy pilots a huge bonus in order to stop them leaving as moral is sooooo bad. The last defence review stated that moral had never been worse in the RAF especially amongst the commissioned aircrew. So aim high. With everyone leaving in droves you are more than likely to be in charge of the whole airforce in a few years Really?? So just to clarify, is it the Navy or the RAF which has the lowest morale dangerous brain and how come it's so low?? What's your mate's number lol... Edit: Do you know what the minumum and maximum height for a pilot is?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Edit: Do you know what the minumum and maximum height for a pilot is?? I hear short/wide people have a greater capability for coping with high G situations, so you might be well suited Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 I hear short/wide people have a greater capability for coping with high G situations, so you might be well suited Shane Hey yeh you may be right Homer, so would you if you were to apply lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hey yeh you may be right Homer, so would you if you were to apply lol... He's waaaaay too tall for a decent fighterjet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 He's waaaaay too tall for a decent fighterjet No Homer said short/WIDE people lol... Only joking Homer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Go for it And to keep you going: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f55_1218548389 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Like I said dude the RAF has low morale, cant comment for the Navy. The retention bonus's are now open to more trades like regiment and drivers. And soz LBM, 617 sqn were based at Scampton, I spent 6 1/2 years there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 And soz LBM, 617 sqn were based at Scampton, I spent 6 1/2 years there Given you worked there, you make a fair point sir However - http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafconingsby/aboutus/wwiitophantoms.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Really?? So just to clarify, is it the Navy or the RAF which has the lowest morale Hell Shane, I would be depressed if I was in the RAF or Navy. Get a proper job and join the Army. There's not so much depression in the Army as the guys don't complain as much as those soft boy Navy & RAF lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 hell shane, i would be depressed if i was in the raf or navy. Get a proper job and join the army. There's not so much depression in the army as the guys don't complain as much as those soft boy navy & raf lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hell Shane, I would be depressed if I was in the RAF or Navy. Get a proper job and join the Army. There's not so much depression in the Army as the guys don't complain as much as those soft boy Navy & RAF lot. Cheers guys, thanks very much for the advice and information, tbh SupraAyf, i dont think the army is for me but im still undecided as to either join the Navy or the RAF. I had the Navy call me yesterday and ive arranged an AFCO day on friday 18th September as i literally get back from America on that day lol... :-D So maybe it's the Navy but does anyone know what the selection process and entry tests are like for the Navy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Why Shane...you need- http://www.how2become.co.uk/viewProduct.php?product_name=Royal_Navy (I'm joking) Ps I don't want to interfere, but I will Are you sure it's a good idea to go for an interview/assessment on the day you get back from the USA? - The stress of being late or just coming across as, well...a bit sh*t would bother me On a more positive note re: AFCO: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509149 Maybe useful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 Why Shane...you need- http://www.how2become.co.uk/viewProduct.php?product_name=Royal_Navy (I'm joking) Ps I don't want to interfere, but I will Are you sure it's a good idea to go for an interview/assessment on the day you get back from the USA? - The stress of being late or just coming across as, well...a bit sh*t would bother me On a more positive note re: AFCO: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509149 Maybe useful? Ahh damn it! I cant view these sites as the computer at work as the company have blocked them!! :-( Its not so much an interview Lbm, im just recieving info at the AFCO for the Navy and the only day i can do it because work wont let me off early on any day! Grrrr... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hell Shane, I would be depressed if I was in the RAF or Navy. Get a proper job and join the Army. There's not so much depression in the Army as the guys don't complain as much as those soft boy Navy & RAF lot. Probably because theyre that dumb they dont know what morale means lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 It was my dream to become a pilot, I've got a few hours under my belt lol The reality is, your not going to become a fast jet pilot let alone a pilot at all if your 21 and have no A-levels For a start they favour 17-18year olds that have 5A-levels, look bright and come from a good family(which generally means they have contacts within the RAF or Navy) I done the whole atc thing when I was younger, thought it was for pansies at first, but absolutely loved it!!!My point is my mate who was a good bit older than me, was the only one to actually go the whole hog and get his pilots licence - he failed selection for fast jets in the RAF, his mum and dad remortgaged their house and paid over 50K for his licence and 1550 hours, he trained over in the U.S for like 2years, this was just post 9/11, he got a job with Thomas Cook flying National as a co-pilot, absolute sh%t pay, but thought it was a start, the recruitment was up and down like a yo-yo and they made cutbacks, he was pretty much first in, so first out He joined the Army, who wouldnt give him direct entry to any flight process, spent 2years there hoping for an opportunity to atleast get a rotary flying position, didnt get it so he came out He's now flying Lynx's for the RAF, met him 3weeks ago, he's now on 33K after all those years of trying to get there - and pretty much not getting to where he wanted to be, My point is to be on 33K before Tax after a 9year route with an initial investment of over 50K just doesnt seem worth it for me, and he was BRIGHT!! Granted I'd rather be flying Lynx's for that money than sitting behind a desk but for his location, his out of hours and all the rest of it I'd be wanting double! Good luck but people encouraging you to aim higher than is realistically achievable is only going to set you up for a bigger fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 It was my dream to become a pilot, I've got a few hours under my belt lol The reality is, your not going to become a fast jet pilot let alone a pilot at all if your 21 and have no A-levels For a start they favour 17-18year olds that have 5A-levels, look bright and come from a good family(which generally means they have contacts within the RAF or Navy) I done the whole atc thing when I was younger, thought it was for pansies at first, but absolutely loved it!!!My point is my mate who was a good bit older than me, was the only one to actually go the whole hog and get his pilots licence - he failed selection for fast jets in the RAF, his mum and dad remortgaged their house and paid over 50K for his licence and 1550 hours, he trained over in the U.S for like 2years, this was just post 9/11, he got a job with Thomas Cook flying National as a co-pilot, absolute sh%t pay, but thought it was a start, the recruitment was up and down like a yo-yo and they made cutbacks, he was pretty much first in, so first out He joined the Army, who wouldnt give him direct entry to any flight process, spent 2years there hoping for an opportunity to atleast get a rotary flying position, didnt get it so he came out He's now flying Lynx's for the RAF, met him 3weeks ago, he's now on 33K after all those years of trying to get there - and pretty much not getting to where he wanted to be, My point is to be on 33K before Tax after a 9year route with an initial investment of over 50K just doesnt seem worth it for me, and he was BRIGHT!! Granted I'd rather be flying Lynx's for that money than sitting behind a desk but for his location, his out of hours and all the rest of it I'd be wanting double! Good luck but people encouraging you to aim higher than is realistically achievable is only going to set you up for a bigger fall I know it's very hard to become a fast jet pilot but tbh i would also be ok with flying muti-engine'd aircraft. I do want to fly fast jets though and that's why im going back to college to get my A-levels that are required and then im going to apply... I thought the Navy or RAF pay for the pilot's licence so how come your friend's parent's remortgaged their house for his pilot's license?? Dont the forces do sponsorship or grants to get the candidates through?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Wouldn't it be easier to just save up and buy a cheap MIG and the Top Gun soundtrack or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 Wouldn't it be easier to just save up and buy a cheap MIG and the Top Gun soundtrack or something? Hmm...yes i could do but, it wouldn't be as much fun :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 Why Shane...you need- http://www.how2become.co.uk/viewProduct.php?product_name=Royal_Navy (I'm joking) Ps I don't want to interfere, but I will Are you sure it's a good idea to go for an interview/assessment on the day you get back from the USA? - The stress of being late or just coming across as, well...a bit sh*t would bother me On a more positive note re: AFCO: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509149 Maybe useful? Actually Lbm, i have managed to load that web page up on info how to get in the RAF and the Navy... Although you were joking, it's actually quite helpful lol... :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I thought the Navy or RAF pay for the pilot's licence so how come your friend's parent's remortgaged their house for his pilot's license?? Dont the forces do sponsorship or grants to get the candidates through?? if you lucky you'll get a flying scholoship (SP? - thats why i'm non-commisioned ) but thats aimed at the ATC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 He's now flying Lynx's for the RAF, met him 3weeks ago, he's now on 33K after all those years of trying to get there - and pretty much not getting to where he wanted to be, erm... RAF doent have lynx's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 if you lucky you'll get a flying scholoship (SP? - thats why i'm non-commisioned ) but thats aimed at the ATC Ok, do you think that i honestly have a realistic shot at this though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Ok, do you think that i honestly have a realistic shot at this though... flying scholoship, to be honest, i'd say no. besided its only the funding for half a PPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I know it's very hard to become a fast jet pilot but tbh i would also be ok with flying muti-engine'd aircraft. I do want to fly fast jets though and that's why im going back to college to get my A-levels that are required and then im going to apply... I thought the Navy or RAF pay for the pilot's licence so how come your friend's parent's remortgaged their house for his pilot's license?? Dont the forces do sponsorship or grants to get the candidates through?? Maybe you mis-read - he never got in to the RAF when he applied first time - well not for what he wanted to do(i.e fast jets) and didnt want to do infantry or the like, he ended up doing something similar when he joined the Army, not sure which regiment, but I met him in hospital(minor injury) when he was still in the army and he was depressed, I'm sure it was a lynx, its some helicopter anyway, he was doing some peace keeping mission a while back, he's still pretty depressed I reckon - can't blame the guy, I think he thinks he's let down his parents, but in comaparison to any of the others in the atc(incl. myself) he's went a lot further than most The ATC don't have feckall in the way of sholarships, they have no standing against any civies whatsoever - other than maybe a source of info(even then the careers officer comes by once every 6months and spouts drivel), there are flying or rather gliding opportunites, but no flying sholarships that I've ever heard of, regardless of how far up you are Your out the door by the time your 18 unless your a Flight Sergent(or the one above can't actually remember the line of command now)(of cadets) if you havent applied by then you've missed your opp to get in At the end of the day although I hate to admit it, but if their spending £6m training you to fly their £35m jets, then I can understand the stringent selection process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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