Branners Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Im looking at getting a boost controller and Im looking at the usual suspects Apexi AVCR Blitz SBC-ID Blitz DSBC Type R (dual sol) Blitz DSBC Type S (single sol) Anybody got any recommendations or comments? Why would I want a dual solenoid over a single solenoid, and is the SBC-ID worth the money? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 The dual solenoid unit can handle higher boost levels, so it depends on your plans. Not sure of the exact levels, but i think they are shown on the Jap Blitz site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 The AVCr is very tunable but therefore highly complex. I've got to set mine up once a CW restrictor plate is in place, and I'm not looking forward to it. It's a nice blue, though, and the speedo on it is very accurate. I'll let you know how I get on. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Branners Im looking at getting a boost controller and Im looking at the usual suspects Apexi AVCR Blitz SBC-ID Blitz DSBC Type R (dual sol) Blitz DSBC Type S (single sol) Anybody got any recommendations or comments? Why would I want a dual solenoid over a single solenoid, and is the SBC-ID worth the money? JB Branners, I am putting an SBC-ID & PowerMeter ID in the Supra. Several reasons for this: Apexi Boost Solenoids are absolutely crap (I broke one in the Rover within 6 months, thats £150 please) The SBC-ID is notably more advanced than even the AVC-R, contrary to popular belief (although the AVC-R does look trick) The Apexi is affected by temperature unlike Blitz/HKS/Greddy as they decided to use cheap boost sensor components. By the way, the SBC-ID & Power Meter ID can be had from the states inc 3 day delivery for £480. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 JB Leon has my DSBC he may want to sell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted August 22, 2002 Author Share Posted August 22, 2002 hmm, I better ask how much. Im getting the gear as payment for work done so its not as if Im having to pay for it which is why I have the choice. I originally thought AVCR as its nice and blue, but the SBC-ID might be a better way forward, I have always liked the Blitz stuff. Barry might want the DSBC from Leon, I will see how much he wants for it. I might also have a Mongoose full exhaust system for sale as Im probably getting a Blitz Nur Spec as part of the deal as well. So anybody want a mongy? Slightly louder than stock, full system including downpipe, modified to fit an import....£300 JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrboost Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I have gone for the all singing all dancing Blitz SBC-ID Looked at them all, got a great deal on the SBC-ID. How soon you wanting to buy John ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Minor additional comments - CW backs up your opinion of the solenoids on the Apexi units. Mine isn't dead yet, but knowing my luck I'll be the first to report it's gone 'boing' soon. Also, the boost pressure sensors on mine are mounted near the throttle cam, and therefore get a reasonably large amount of engine heat but they are spot on accurate when compared side by side with a mechanical boost gauge, so experience says they aren't *that* susceptible to heat. I'm not defending the Apexi stuff, just adding my observations for info. -Ian Originally posted by gazwalker Branners, I am putting an SBC-ID & PowerMeter ID in the Supra. Several reasons for this: Apexi Boost Solenoids are absolutely crap (I broke one in the Rover within 6 months, thats £150 please) The SBC-ID is notably more advanced than even the AVC-R, contrary to popular belief (although the AVC-R does look trick) The Apexi is affected by temperature unlike Blitz/HKS/Greddy as they decided to use cheap boost sensor components. By the way, the SBC-ID & Power Meter ID can be had from the states inc 3 day delivery for £480. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I can get the latest Blitz SBC boost controller for £285 inc delivery into the uk. I'm just waiting on a price for the Power ID, but that should be around £100 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Ian C Also, the boost pressure sensors on mine are mounted near the throttle cam, and therefore get a reasonably large amount of engine heat but they are spot on accurate when compared side by side with a mechanical boost gauge, so experience says they aren't *that* susceptible to heat. Ian, Sorry, I actually meant charge temp rather than engine bay temp. Mine used to be set at a .9 bar, used to hit 1.2 often and 1.4 a couple of times. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Barry I can get the latest Blitz SBC boost controller for £285 inc delivery into the uk. I'm just waiting on a price for the Power ID, but that should be around £100 or so. Barry, Mummmm, nice price Is this the SBC-ID V2? Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Arse...i like the look (and the price) of the Blitz SBC, but also need an air/fuel controller...and they dont make one to match the design of the SBC !! That sucks.... guess it'll have to be the apexi units then..although the power ID and SBC does sound tempting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Heh heh. That's why I paid over the odds for a blue DSBC Adi! What about the HKS fuel controller (AFR?) I think that's black and green, it woul be a good match for the Mk3 dials IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 There is no Version 2 of the SBC-iD - there is a similar unit with less features but the SBC-iD is still the top of the range. SBC-iD + Powermeter fitted to mine - problem count = 0 Grin count = Loads!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I'd go for the SBC-iD, thats what I have, its the bollocks, I can do it for £420 + VAT if you need one. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Alex Holdroyd There is no Version 2 of the SBC-iD - there is a similar unit with less features but the SBC-iD is still the top of the range. Alex, Yes there is SBC-ID V2 Its just a revision of the old one with a green backlit display and a couple of extra features & bug fixes. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Oo er missus.... I'd seen the DSC which looks similar but if that site is right then I take it back. Worth checking this with Racelogic though incase this web site is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4Speed Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I fitted the Blitz DSBC Type S recently and would recommend it. Bearing in mind other peoples comments about state of tune - my engine is not a highly modded one. PS anybody want a couple of bleed valves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted August 23, 2002 Author Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Alex Holdroyd Oo er missus.... I'd seen the DSC which looks similar but if that site is right then I take it back. Worth checking this with Racelogic though incase this web site is wrong I went through the Blitz JP site and its not on their product list or their new products list, but there does seem to be an online manual for the SBC-ID 2 so it does appear it exists...you just cant buy it from Blitz Having read all the info I think its the SBC-ID for me, along with a Blitz Nurspec and Blitz airfilter with full metal enclosure. That should give me the power I want. Has anybody else attached any other 'things' to the SBC-ID? It has 4 inputs doesnt it? So you can monitor charge temps and whatnot with the right equipment? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Branners I went through the Blitz JP site and its not on their product list or their new products list, but there does seem to be an online manual for the SBC-ID 2 so it does appear it exists...you just cant buy it from Blitz Having read all the info I think its the SBC-ID for me, along with a Blitz Nurspec and Blitz airfilter with full metal enclosure. That should give me the power I want. Has anybody else attached any other 'things' to the SBC-ID? It has 4 inputs doesnt it? So you can monitor charge temps and whatnot with the right equipment? JB Yeah, yeah thats right - Its just been out and Racelogic hardly ever update thier site... Thats one of the big benefits on the SBC branners. You can buy a harness (hard to find, but I think MVP Motorsports has one): Blitz SBC-id Harness - ITEM # Bl SBC-id Harness Optional harness for the SBC-id that allows the display of such things as Water temperature; Oil pressure; Throttle Position Sensor; Air/Fuel Ratio; & Injector Pulse Your Price $50.00 So it replaces about 4/5 guages altogether! Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted August 23, 2002 Author Share Posted August 23, 2002 I was hoping it would do EGT as the main gauges everybody should have are boost and EGT. With those two you can pretty much tell if the car is running badly or is about to blow up. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Branners I was hoping it would do EGT as the main gauges everybody should have are boost and EGT. With those two you can pretty much tell if the car is running badly or is about to blow up. JB Branners, Those features are just with the additional harness. If there is aux ports on it, then you may be able to do that also? Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 I've got the optional harness and can tell you that it basically has 3 data wires (the 4th is an earth) and you tap them to different wires on your ECU... I've tapped the intake temp sensor, the throttle position sensor and I want to tap the O2 sensor...but its a pig to get at. Once attached you have to calibrate the data recieved by the unit to actually make it mean anything. For example I had to tell it that the throttle position was between 0 and 100 then I had to find the right fully open and fully closed voltages. etc etc....could be quite useful...really must attach the o2 sensor to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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