Gaz Walker Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Terry Saunders Gaz your friend isn't Ronnie is it, as that car looked like it had a T78 to me:D P.S. No spying !! Terry, Nope, it was a person that was going to run at Ten of the Best, but his transfer box gave way the day before. He would have blew Ronnie away, I kid you not. Shame! Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Martin F Yeah right, how about running that fuel system ? What are you going to use for that the stock ECU ? Then the setting up and tuning. Randy....do you own a stetson ? Oops! I was in a hurry this morning and wasn't thinking! All the electronics of course with gauges! And running high boost with 100 octane! I haven't seen .002p input regarding this topic Martin! Your good for criticism tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted August 21, 2002 Author Share Posted August 21, 2002 I've got an F-CON V which my mechanic can fully map it. The yellow Supra which broke the 250mph in Nevada(I think) was using F-CON V!! and that was 1000bhp!!.Don't compare a skyline's reliability with a Supra's. A skyline can onlt take 450bhp without any internal upgrades.A supra can get upto 600-650 without any problems..I think 700 is too much as you all say.I'm glad i got so much response from you,i'm not getting upset by listening u people its good to have opinions and personal experience,i mean thats why this website is here for to help each other... What is a direct port kit? So if i would like 100bhp of NOS i would have to get a direct port kit??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted August 21, 2002 Author Share Posted August 21, 2002 I think 640-650 is the absolute max for a stock bottom end...I've seen quite a few run 600bhp very reliable.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by fastisnice I've got an F-CON V which my mechanic can fully map it. The yellow Supra which broke the 250mph in Nevada(I think) was using F-CON V!! and that was 1000bhp!!.Don't compare a skyline's reliability with a Supra's. A skyline can onlt take 450bhp without any internal upgrades.A supra can get upto 600-650 without any problems..I think 700 is too much as you all say.I'm glad i got so much response from you,i'm not getting upset by listening u people its good to have opinions and personal experience,i mean thats why this website is here for to help each other... What is a direct port kit? So if i would like 100bhp of NOS i would have to get a direct port kit??? F-Con V's are a fudge IMHO. JUN can probably map it properly. If it were me & I was intent on using it, I would send it to them for programming. I think Option Motorsport use a Japanese JUN technician for theirs. You may get away with 100 BHP of NOS but as I said before, 75bhp would be the maximum I'd run before going direct port ( 1 nozzle per injector in the inlet). Don't knock the Skyline bottom end. It's the only other car I can think of that will take this sort of power reliably. Where did the 450 bhp come from? Don't get carried away with the strength of the 2JZ lump. Just because they make silly dyno power in the States on a stock bottom end, doesn't make them reliable as road cars. I know of a big power car that has just melted No.4 piston by running 30 psi on the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 A few questions What did you think to the Unorthodox Racing pulley stuff? Did they underdrive as well? And why the AIC? That wasn't in conjunction with j-spec injectors, was it? You don't mention the injectors I like the sound of those hybrids - who did the work? What cam profile did you go for? What boost did you run and what would you get away with safely on optimax + toluene? 500bhp is pretty damn large in my book, combined with the sequential operation still being in place - it's something I would like to aspire to, hence all the questions... -Ian Originally posted by Terry Saunders Ian, In brief it was "special" hybrids ( Barry now has them) with titanium shafts & a slightly bigger than norm compressor wheel. Bit more machining to inlets. They also had bigger wastegate installed. HKS Cams & cam gear (tuned), UR lightweight pulleys, UR lightweight flywheel, electric fans, additional injectors controlled by an ERL MF2, water injection, Blitz filter with cold air box, HKS R type FMIC c/w spray, HKS Trac butterfly removal, FSE, HKS SSBOV, 6 puck clutch, 3" DP, UK pump, & good fuel............ If I think of anything else I'll tell you:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by fastisnice Don't compare a skyline's reliability with a Supra's. A skyline can onlt take 450bhp without any internal upgrades.A supra can get upto 600-650 without any problems.. What is a direct port kit? So if i would like 100bhp of NOS i would have to get a direct port kit??? What evidence do you base that info on the skyline bottom end from? For your information, I know one of my fellow club members (from 200+ Club) is running a stock bottom end on a 550bhp+ Dyno'd car. That runs 0.-60 in 3.6 (at Trax) and does a quarter mile in 11.7 (Santa Pod). Take all of the US's figures with a pinch of salt. Direct Port kit is a Nitrous system which has one nitrous injector and one fuel injector tapped into the manifold at 6 points (for each cylinder). Commonly known as a "fogger" system. You need such a kit for running large amounts of NOS (100hp and over). A "wet" kit is where fuel and nitrous is injected at one point in the manifold. Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Ian the car ran the J specs + 2 No. 550cc's in a GReddy pipe. Cams were 256 In 264Ex ( +1 & -3). Boost 1.6 to 1.7 bar on Charlie Nott Bowers fuel. The UR underdrive is excellent for spool. I never had a problem with it, nor has Leon. I have the standard one back on now so if anyone wants a UR underdrive, make me an offer. I have explained that there is a practical limit to hybrids ( mainly due to the header) & that is why I moved onto a single. If I were to start again, I wouldn't go the hybrid route if I wanted 500+ bhp. Leon had the turbo work done on my behalf. The last I heard is that the engineer would never build a set to the same spec again as he lost money on them ( yeah yeah:D ) & trust me they cost enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Just thinking aloud, there's absolutely no way you can compare how reliable these highly tuned engines are, anyway. One guy might have a 700hp lump on stock internals, but he might be happy because he only takes it up that high every other month, and it hasn't blown up yet. On the other hand someone may only have 550hp with a completely strenghtened base engine, and can happily race it every day. Either guy could also do a complete stripdown and rebuild after each meet, too. Both would probably claim that they had a reliable car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYmark Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by gazwalker Terry, Nope, it was a person that was going to run at Ten of the Best, but his transfer box gave way the day before. He would have blew Ronnie away, I kid you not. Shame! Gaz. gaz is it that BIGR32SLY GUY think its stu he has a t78 on his r32 he seems to have an excuse when it comes down to racing the beast he was supposed to have a better spec than ronnie had in his r33 he was supposed to be going to york dragway too seems the skylines get a lot better times than the supras my mate did 12.2 sec 1/4 at york on stock turbos running 1 bar dont know full spec but he had nos and has took it off now,did not make a big difference to times i dont think i would go for nos in my supra anyone know of the best 1/4 of the big power supras have run in uk auto and manual just curious after reading of the 9 second supras in usa are there seconds different to ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by MONKEYmark just curious after reading of the 9 second supras in usa are there seconds different to ours? LOL probably. We all know that Microsoft minutes can vary by a large amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Microsoft minutes LOLOLOL Its true though, ive seen loads of clips and hype about 9 second cars etc with 150+ terminals, am i right in thinking these are not as common as its made out to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Not common, but feasible. The Titan car is fully stripped, special rear end, silly power, silly tyres etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 I just read the but about the underdrive pulley in "for Sale." The stock crank pulley is heavy because its also a damper which stops the crank twisting. No side affects at all from removing it?? Sorry. I'm having a reliability-on today. It'll pass, hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 most ive seen were on http://www.turboimports.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Darren Blake The stock crank pulley is heavy because its also a damper which stops the crank twisting. No side affects at all from removing it?? Sorry. I'm having a reliability-on today. It'll pass, hopefully. Both Leon & I have run them without a problem. Mine was on for at least 30,000 miles & when we pulled the engine apart the Crank & bearings were fine. Nothing wrong with being worried about reliabilty. I am the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted August 22, 2002 Author Share Posted August 22, 2002 So is a big single turbo (Complete with kit,manifold and everything else) going to be more expensive than £2,5K? Is a big single going to give me lots of lag though? whats better 2 hybrids or a big T78? i want to get anything less than 12secs 1/4mile... Which means i can hit a Lambo!! There is this Lamborghini i want to race:devil: and i really want to beat him even by a bumper difference i don't care.I know a Lambo can do 1/4 of 11.8 or so...He is really pissing me off with his kind of attitude-He thinks nothing can ever beat him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by fastisnice So is a big single turbo (Complete with kit,manifold and everything else) going to be more expensive than £2,5K? Is a big single going to give me lots of lag though? whats better 2 hybrids or a big T78? i want to get anything less than 12secs 1/4mile... Which means i can hit a Lambo!! There is this Lamborghini i want to race:devil: and i really want to beat him even by a bumper difference i don't care.I know a Lambo can do 1/4 of 11.8 or so...He is really pissing me off with his kind of attitude-He thinks nothing can ever beat him I never said a big single! I have said before if you want BIG power be prepared to spend £10k Turbo, Fuel system ECU, etc etc To get 500 bhp out of hybrids will cost a lot more than £2500! I'll race the Lambo for you. I am sure Leon would play as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I LOVE this high power talk!!! Shame I'll never be able to afford it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Terry Saunders To get 500 bhp out of hybrids will cost a lot more than £2500! This is a basic shopping list for a j-spec car to run hybrids to around 450bhp FMIC £800 - £1200 Boost Controller £250 - £400 3" exhaust £350 - £700 3" Decat Down pipe £200 - £300 Hybrid Turbo's £1500 - £1800 Uprated fuel pump £150 - £200 Uprated fuel regulator £100 - £200 Fuel Computer £200 - £300 550cc Injectors ? Coil packs ? That's going to be about £4000 + labour If you want to go a bit faster and run with more reliabilty Hard Pipe kit £150 - £400 HKS inlet cam £350 HKS exhaust cam £350 HKS Adjustable cam gears £175 Oil Cooler £250 That's going to be about £1300 + labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by MONKEYmark gaz is it that BIGR32SLY GUY think its stu he has a t78 on his r32 he seems to have an excuse when it comes down to racing the beast he was supposed to have a better spec than ronnie had in his r33 he was supposed to be going to york dragway too seems the skylines get a lot better times than the supras my mate did 12.2 sec 1/4 at york on stock turbos running 1 bar dont know full spec but he had nos and has took it off now,did not make a big difference to times i dont think i would go for nos in my supra anyone know of the best 1/4 of the big power supras have run in uk auto and manual just curious after reading of the 9 second supras in usa are there seconds different to ours? Mark, It might be To be honest, you'd be pretty gutted if on your way down to elvington for testing the day before, the transfer box blew up, propshaft went, the front diff cover was smashed costing a lot of money. It's not excuses. Also, to give an example of the power this thing puts out, a peice of the chain in the transfer box landed in the back of someones house, after going straight through the front double glazed window. Gaz. PS, might see you Sat at 'Boro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Modifying your list a bit: You don't need an uprated fuel regulator, or at least I don't need one yet (in fact, I ditched and FSE valve and went back to stock) 550cc injectors, about £300 plus shipping from the US plus tax plus ultrasound cleaning - call it £450 (I always try to overestimate a bit) Resistor pack - £150 Decat Downpipe is £150 Decat centre section - £150 FMIC hard pipe set - £? Fuel computer is more like £300-£400 Coil packs aren't required, but new spark plugs are - £20 Don't forget yer cams - About £850 for intake and exhaust + shipping. You might also want water injection - £150 And head work if you are serious - £? And if you fit the lot at once you will need: Turbo gasket set - £120 (I shit ye not) Head gasket -£dunno, probably 150 Intake manifold gasket set - £40 Oil+filter - £70 Coolant - £15 Even if you fit it yourself and have all the required tools there is still then fuel for testing and/or getting to CW's to get the fuelling set up. It soon mounts up That's now about £6500 plus headwork plus hard pipe kit plus testing fuel plus any labour you don't do yourself plus new tools plus fuelling setup. Budget £7500 and you may get some change if you do all the spanner work yourself -Ian Originally posted by GavinL This is a basic shopping list for a j-spec car to run hybrids to around 450bhp FMIC £800 - £1200 Boost Controller £250 - £400 3" exhaust £350 - £700 3" Decat Down pipe £200 - £300 Hybrid Turbo's £1500 - £1800 Uprated fuel pump £150 - £200 Uprated fuel regulator £100 - £200 Fuel Computer £200 - £300 550cc Injectors ? Coil packs ? That's going to be about £4000 + labour If you want to go a bit faster and run with more reliabilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 £7500!!! Do you guys rob banks for a living or what!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I think they're all being a bit paranoid. Why not just do it the US way... AEM ECU = $1500 T88 Turbo = $3500 1600cc Injectors = $1500 Fuel Rail = $300 Twin Fuel Pumps = $500 Total $7300 or ~£4800 Thats assuming you don't already have : FMIC = $1000 Exhaust = $1000 De-Cats = $500 (~£1600 + ~£4800 = ~£6400), Since I even I could do most of the greasy bits I doubt labour would be more than £1k (4 days?). Setup is a whole different ball game, but hey, just copy a setup from some other pep that has done the same and paid for it already. I can't see the need to replace any stock internals until > 500 BHP, and you've got a setup capable of over a 1000BHP when you can find the extra £10k to do it right 'Might' spool a little slower than hybrids though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinL Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Gareth Davies I think they're all being a bit paranoid. Why not just do it the US way... AEM ECU = $1500 T88 Turbo = $3500 1600cc Injectors = $1500 Fuel Rail = $300 Twin Fuel Pumps = $500 Total $7300 or ~£4800 Thats assuming you don't already have : FMIC = $1000 Exhaust = $1000 De-Cats = $500 (~£1600 + ~£4800 = ~£6400), Since I even I could do most of the greasy bits I doubt labour would be more than £1k (4 days?). Setup is a whole different ball game, but hey, just copy a setup from some other pep that has done the same and paid for it already. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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