Ryan.G Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Ryan, sorry mate, another question... The S6 can do wasted spark, so presumably you could use it for an 8cyl engine? Would this still need something like a DLI? How much more is the S8 version? I'm guessing it's towards motec prices.. Yes it can drive a 8cyl engine. But would have to run it wasted spark. Some of the LS engines use dizzy's dont they though? so only needs one output then. You would need to find out what Coil setup and Ignitor setup the engine you are looking at has. I cant see it being an issue with a charger or small turbo though even if it does have a smart ignitor like the MKiv. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I'm thinking about getting one of these fitted over the Winter, and flogging the MoTeC M600 I've ccurrently got in the process. I'm worried about losing the abilty to see various guages I then won't need (but would like), so I'll be having a close look at this 'dash2' jobbie if you're fitting it to the MR2 you're bringing to Llandow Ryan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I'm thinking about getting one of these fitted over the Winter, and flogging the MoTeC M600 I've ccurrently got in the process. I'm worried about losing the abilty to see various guages I then won't need (but would like), so I'll be having a close look at this 'dash2' jobbie if you're fitting it to the MR2 you're bringing to Llandow Ryan?? Why would you want to do that if you already have one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I'm thinking about getting one of these fitted over the Winter, and flogging the MoTeC M600 I've ccurrently got in the process. I'm worried about losing the abilty to see various guages I then won't need (but would like), so I'll be having a close look at this 'dash2' jobbie if you're fitting it to the MR2 you're bringing to Llandow Ryan?? Why would you get rid of a Motec M600 for one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why would you get rid of a Motec M600 for one of these? I think it's better. I guess I could get the MoTeC set up properly, i.e. tell it what the AFRs are so it's not a best guess attitude to fuelling, but the extra features on the S6 - and the ease of setup - are appealing. At the moment my single makes no use of the fact the engine is VVTi, yes, it could, but it sounds like a much simpler process with the S6 than with the M600. Happy to take advce, like I say I'm considering at the moment and I have only spoken to a couple of people about it so far (including Ryan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 think it's better. I guess I could get the MoTeC set up properly, i.e. tell it what the AFRs are so it's not a best guess attitude to fuelling, but the extra features on the S6 - and the ease of setup - are appealing. At the moment my single makes no use of the fact the engine is VVTi, yes, it could, but it sounds like a much simpler process with the S6 than with the M600. Happy to take advce, like I say I'm considering at the moment and I have only spoken to a couple of people about it so far (including Ryan). The only benefit I could see there is its cheaper - but that depends on if you get a good price for the motec I like the ethernet comms mind, this could be expanded upon I'm sure i.e. tell it what the AFRs are so it's not a best guess attitude to fuelling, Do you not have a wideband connected to the car currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The only benefit I could see there is its cheaper - but that depends on if you get a good price for the motec I like the ethernet comms mind, this could be expanded upon I'm sure Swapping would be dependant on my flogging the M600 for a decent price, so it funded most of the cost of getting the S6 and a remap. Do you not have a wideband connected to the car currently? Yep, but it's not connected to the ECU, just a gauge. The ECU could read AFRs, if I bought another sensor, connected that in and then had it remapped again, but if I was going to do that why not start afresh with a new ECU, if that ECU is appealing over the M600 - that's the answer I need to be sure of. I'll keep reading up, and taking advice into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Swapping would be dependant on my flogging the M600 for a decent price, so it funded most of the cost of getting the S6 and a remap. Thats true It depends on whats unlocked in the motec do you have wideband lambda enabled? I've heard various reports that it doesnt need enabled as long as you have a wideband sensor, I know if you buy the plm you skip the cost of getting the wideband lambda enabled(but at about 900quid so it should!!) Running closed loop should give you a slightly safer map, and also help with fuel economy - in terms of performance, dont think there would be a great advantage which is probably why it wasn't done in the first place If this is reliable and the price stays down I can't really see a competitor to this ecu Although I'd like to hear of any disadvantages before I took the plunge. I really doubt I would now, I'm too fargone with the motec, I wouldnt get my money back - be lucky to get half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I think it's better. I guess I could get the MoTeC set up properly, i.e. tell it what the AFRs are so it's not a best guess attitude to fuelling, but the extra features on the S6 - and the ease of setup - are appealing. At the moment my single makes no use of the fact the engine is VVTi, yes, it could, but it sounds like a much simpler process with the S6 than with the M600. Happy to take advce, like I say I'm considering at the moment and I have only spoken to a couple of people about it so far (including Ryan). The Ecu is alot better.. see my post 14 on this thread for some of the reasons. Steve's install has alot more to offer as the company that fitted the unit didn't bother using the fbw, VVTI or lambda. Although the Motec can control all of these now except the wideband. He is going to have to pay extra for some of the extra features which i would recommend having also. So by the time Steve has paid to have the extra features enabled like datalogging and wideband on the Motec, as well as wiring in the FBW and VVTI etc. He could have sold the motec brought a S6 and Dash2 and still have some money left. With the S6 everything is enabled so no extra fee's in the future. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Anyone want to buy my M600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Bit of a hijack, but you don't need to buy the lamda option for the Motec. That is only needed if you want to connect a sensor directly up to the ECU and have it control heating the sensor etc. If you have a wideband controller already (or a gauge) with a analogue voltage output you can hook that up to one of the Motec inputs and use it straight away. If you didn't have an ECU and were deciding which to buy I the Solaris looks like an interesting option, on price etc, it looks very godd. But if you already have a Motec, it doesn't offer you anything extra as an end user that would justify swapping I don't think. Apart from perhaps knock control but then you shouldn't be in danger of knock anyway with it mapped correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveR Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Thanks Simon - more food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 So by the time Steve has paid to have the extra features enabled like datalogging and wideband on the Motec, as well as wiring in the FBW and VVTI etc. He could have sold the motec brought a S6 and Dash2 and still have some money left. Very, very true, I can't really see the motec winning in any comparisons other than the software(to me) is a little easier to use, but again thats user(or rather mappers) preference, You could utilise the existing fields harness that you have, which I gather would lower install costs too Motec just have their heads up their own a££$ imho, they overcharge on absolutely everything If you have a wideband controller already (or a gauge) with a analogue voltage output you can hook that up to one of the Motec inputs and use it straight away. Yeah new there was a reason why I enabled it, I ended up buying the LM-2 anyway, waste of an upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Is there anyway of getting the data externally as Wez has already done with the AEM feed on a PDA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Is there anyway of getting the data externally as Wez has already done with the AEM feed on a PDA? It has outputs for RS232 and CAN bus plus the software comes with a seperate monitoring tool (SMON) which is used over ethernet. It also works with various off the shelf digi dash units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 It has outputs for RS232 and CAN bus plus the software comes with a seperate monitoring tool (SMON) which is used over ethernet. It also works with various off the shelf digi dash units. If the dashes were able to connect over ethernet I'd say you have one up on Motec and the lot from the off The update rate as its over canbus is shocking on the ADL's, for such an expensive digital display its worthless for live streaming unless you sit and look through the logs - by which time it could be too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 If the dashes were able to connect over ethernet I'd say you have one up on Motec and the lot from the off I think the prob is with the available dashes not supporting ethernet yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 If the dashes were able to connect over ethernet I'd say you have one up on Motec and the lot from the off That would be cool. I don't think anyone has come up with a standard data format though. You could use a wireless adaptor and show the car in front's data on your gauges . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Apart from perhaps knock control but then you shouldn't be in danger of knock anyway with it mapped correctly. What about a crap batch of fuel? (see alot from Tesco 99) or if you cook the fuel.. Even if an injector fails slighty it will save an engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 As i have already said above the Solaris uses either steering angle vs wheel speed or Lateral G vs wheel speed to work out slip for the traction control. Well a good bit of news is that the supra already has a G sensor in place for the ABS system. It is listed as lateral but im sure it will be longitude to work with the ABS system. The Mr2 also has one of these and i will be experimenting with it next week to see if it can be used. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Thats cool. Saves money on RLTC, yet another reason it works out cheaper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 Well a good bit of news is that the supra already has a G sensor in place for the ABS system. It is listed as lateral but im sure it will be longitude to work with the ABS system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Well a good bit of news is that the supra already has a G sensor in place for the ABS system. It is listed as lateral but im sure it will be longitude to work with the ABS system. I thought that was only UK spec and VVTis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I thought that was only UK spec and VVTis? Nope, Jspec has one also. Aswell as my little MR2 which i got running on an S6 today. First in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Quick question Ryan / Wes please. Do they offer a mapping box with potentiometers to set fuel and ignition, or is it all keyboard based? I am feeling like having a play mapping an ecu, but would really much prefer a mapping box where you twirl a knob at any given load site, then press a button to enter the settings into the ecu memory. I know EFI Technology offer this, and DTA or MBE, and once, many moons ago, Motec had one which may have been experimental. Cheers. Good to see new stuff being tried independently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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