MarkR Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Click me EDIT: Not to be mistaken for camel toe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Link no worky here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Opens in mediaplayer. Rightclick and save as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 works for me... in an Impreza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 not sure but the guy has skills... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShamelessTT Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Good stuff that a nice example, ive been trying to learn that one. Difficult!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I've tried it a few times on the road I used to regularly commute on. It's really hard to get right, but of course, other than just for the point of trying to do it, utterly pointless on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 90% of what he's doing is utterly pointless on the track too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 90% of what he's doing is utterly pointless on the track too. Is that with regards to the double clutching? I was wondering what all that was about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 He keeps rowing down the gears. Brake, clutch in, select the right gear for the speed you'll be driving through the corner at, blip the throttle to match the engine to gearbox speed, clutch out and smootly move your foot from the brake to the accelerator. That's all there is to it. Changing into each gear whilst under braking doesn't really give you anything (admittedly a little bit of engine braking - possibly) and if you focus your attention more on actually driving you'll get more gain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 If you watch the rallying, the reason they stall the car when they spin or something silly is that they are left foot braking. Ok they dont use the clutch to change gears, but still. So you dont need heel and toe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 No use to me anyway (yet) I have tiptronic I use thumb-button down shifting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I use heel/tow more in wet conditions, when changing down coming to a corner, stops the backend locking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I normally blip the throttle when changing down, but not usually at the same time as breaking. I think when you're really going for it it can help as everything is a lot smoother. There is no reason at all to double clutch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I use heel and toe all the time, both on track and on enthusiastic drives. It is an essential technique to keeping a nice balanced car and keeping the rear wheels from locking when it takes up the strain of the drive-train. It also allows you to use engine braking in all gears as you down change. Totally agree that double clutching is useless on modern cars. They use to use it on very old things that required one press of the clutch to come out of a gear, then another press of the clutch to engage another gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I can do it pootling around town but need more practise doing it at speed on the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I thought this was going to be to do with drumming double bass drum technique before I opened it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 This is a nice video of a 996 around Fuji Speedway. Notice how he also trail brakes into the corner. I was shown this a couple of weeks ago by a pro driver and it goes against what I've been told in the past - i.e. finish braking before turning in. Works well though, really does "pivot" the car around into the bend. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b6jtTNFYaIk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Trail braking is definitely the fastest way around a track, but carries with it obvious dangers. That's why most race schools won't teach you how to do it. Not in their cars anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Especially cars with the engine in the wrong place, helps the front end grip, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 Nice video. Must get a gearbox like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 yes it is true a lot of racing schools tend not to teach trail braking due to the way that a lot of people just end up going into a spin.... pick any single-seater race lessons however....and they should teach you this. To be better than the rest trail braking is a must. It is one area where you can gain extra 10th's on a lap time and during a race. You know you are getting it right when you feel the back end just on the limit of slipping..... you find the car is turning the corner by itself and you can then be on the power to continue this through until the corner exit. It is a very common technique in single-seater racing.... it does three things... (1) allows the front wheels to do less 'work' in steering, and (2) keeps temperature up in the tyres, (3) allows faster corner entry speed. You can sort of compare it slightly to the way a rally car goes around a corner... they carry extra speed through a corner due to the slide and using the traction of the driven wheels to pull/push them around in combination with the tyre grip. For trackday fun ......then better to be on the safe side rather then over the track wall upside down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 As soon as the new suspension is on I'll be heading out to Fuji to work on this. It's a nice big track with lots of run off so I should be safe when I enviably f9ck up The technique works really well on the GT-R too which is a nightmare for understeer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Yes, it is a great technique to reduce understeer I would really like to drive round Fuji... from TV and computer games, it looks like it has some interesting corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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