dandan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Cant you run the IC pipe downwards rather than through the inner wing? I think that is the plan but that is what is actually causing Lee a problem. With the compressor housing oriented for the "down and under" IC piping, it hits the manifold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I think that is the plan but that is what is actually causing Lee a problem. With the compressor housing oriented for the "down and under" IC piping, it hits the manifold. I see, said the blind man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 I think that is the plan but that is what is actually causing Lee a problem. With the compressor housing oriented for the "down and under" IC piping, it hits the manifold. Yup thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 If your loosing the abs mate do you not need to change the master cylinder to as the non abs one has less outlets on it or is lee just going to blank the other one off ?. This is on my list of things to do asas well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 If your loosing the abs mate do you not need to change the master cylinder to as the non abs one has less outlets on it or is lee just going to blank the other one off ?. This is on my list of things to do asas well I dont think so, i read in one of Pauls threads it was just a change to some NA lines, Lee said he was going to call paul for advice as he has done this a few times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 If your loosing the abs mate do you not need to change the master cylinder to as the non abs one has less outlets on it or is lee just going to blank the other one off ?. This is on my list of things to do asas well The master cylinders are the same, only two outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 im already 1 step of you all... mine came without abs some serious work going into this again.. cant wait to see the final result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel lane Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Be interested to see how my exhaust fairs against the HKS 4", not a fair comparison though really. See how you go though. I can get a 4" quiet exhaust made like mine if needed of course. Now he tells me !!...bummer . how about a part exchange . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Be interested to see how my exhaust fairs against the HKS 4", not a fair comparison though really. See how you go though. I can get a 4" quiet exhaust made like mine if needed of course. Now he tells me !!...bummer . how about a part exchange . Well you cant compare them can you, 3" versus 4", a real test is to compare another 3" exhaust with my 3" exhaust, apples with apples and all that. Depends on what power your putting out as well though, you might gain some power/torque low down and lose it top end. We'll see what Jamie's does, definately doesn't hold Steve L's Supra back and that's making well over 600bhp now, probably around 650bhp, may be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The master cylinders are the same, only two outlets. NA without ABS has 3 ports I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Now he tells me !!...bummer . how about a part exchange . Well you cant compare them can you, 3" versus 4", a real test is to compare another 3" exhaust with my 3" exhaust, apples with apples and all that. Depends on what power your putting out as well though, you might gain some power/torque low down and lose it top end. We'll see what Jamie's does, definately doesn't hold Steve L's Supra back and that's making well over 600bhp now, probably around 650bhp, may be more. Steve's is 650bhp easy Must admit mine feels slower since fitting the whiftbitz exhaust but i reckon half of it is down to the fact is so quiet now and before it used to create so much noise it felt faster. The closed loop boost control has put more duty in though to gain the same boost but with an exhaust that is only 99db its bound to happen. For the price though it really is a awesome exhaust. Will stick mine on SRR next week hopefully and see whats going on before i put on Jamies old turbo. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 NA without ABS has 3 ports I believe. Your right it dose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Your right it dose Ok, so ABS models have 2 and the none has 3 ports. Thats makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Ok, so ABS models have 2 and the none has 3 ports. Thats makes sense now. Yes mate thats right Dose that make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Right, just to give some idea of the slight fitting issue with the new turbo. This is the turbo sitting flush on the manifold. With the housing rotated in this position it just fits on the manifold but is touching the number 2 runner, as you can see here. That then gives us no clearence for the intercooler pipe to go through the wing or down. The turbo would have to be spaced around 40mm to get the housing in the correct orientation to fit a hose on and then it would foul on the strut brace as it would be too high. Ideally the turbo would need to be higher and further forward to make it fit better but this would require a new manifold. The only way I can see it going on with this manifold is to space it up around 20mm and then cut the housing and welding a 45 deg elbow on to get the angle right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yes mate thats right Dose that make any difference? No should be fine, the N/A will have 1 port going to the rear of the car then split at the back. Then the other two go to each of the front calipers. I will check with Paul to see what he did with the others but we should be able to use 1 port to go to both front calipers by splitting it like the rears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Lee, from looking on supraforum i dont think there is another option on the manifolds unless i go cast which i dont want to do, i dont mind a bit of a bend on the H cover, try to keep the spacer small as possible mate, just needs clearance for a bit of heat wrap;) Troll from Supraforum gave me this pic of his that he had to weld a bend on. He basically cut a 90degree bend in half and welded it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev.O Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Jamie, I have an NA brake line (new) in my garage you can have for free. Only issue is getting it to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Lee, from looking on supraforum i dont think there is another option on the manifolds unless i go cast which i dont want to do, i dont mind a bit of a bend on the H cover, try to keep the spacer small as possible mate, just needs clearance for a bit of heat wrap;) Troll from Supraforum gave me this pic of his that he had to weld a bend on. He basically cut a 90degree bend in half and welded it on. http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/Supra/040909%20OakesDetail/DSC_9019.jpg http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/Supra/040909%20OakesDetail/DSC_9022.jpg That looks just right, will need space it up a bit to be able to rotate the housing but I will keep it as small as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 That looks just right, will need space it up a bit to be able to rotate the housing but I will keep it as small as possible. Top man, you are gonna need something like this to chop up, cant see from that pic if the sidewall is gonna be thick enough to get a good weld though;) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intercooler-alloy-bends-HKS-TRUST-3-to-3_W0QQitemZ350159346343QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item51871f9aa7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Jamie, I have an NA brake line (new) in my garage you can have for free. Only issue is getting it to you! Thanks Kev, i will give you a shout if i need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Whiffin Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Right, just to give some idea of the slight fitting issue with the new turbo. This is the turbo sitting flush on the manifold. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/supralee/prob.jpg With the housing rotated in this position it just fits on the manifold but is touching the number 2 runner, as you can see here. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/supralee/prob1.jpg That then gives us no clearence for the intercooler pipe to go through the wing or down. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/supralee/prob2.jpg The turbo would have to be spaced around 40mm to get the housing in the correct orientation to fit a hose on and then it would foul on the strut brace as it would be too high. Ideally the turbo would need to be higher and further forward to make it fit better but this would require a new manifold. The only way I can see it going on with this manifold is to space it up around 20mm and then cut the housing and welding a 45 deg elbow on to get the angle right. Those BL manifolds do make the turbo sit lower than most I think, didnt have any problems with GT42RS on the HKS manifold, and that front housing is huge. Got to be the manifold design causing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Those BL manifolds do make the turbo sit lower than most I think, didnt have any problems with GT42RS on the HKS manifold, and that front housing is huge. Got to be the manifold design causing it. Yeah too low and too far back, even if you space the turbo up the compressor outlet fouls on the number 1 runner. Cant win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Got a load of parts back from the powder coaters, just the intake manifold left to do now, dropping this lot over to Lee tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 That powdercoating looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Looking good mate but where'd the lively looking green accent pieces go?? Change of heart on the green? Edited October 14, 2009 by dandan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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