JamieP Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) Now are you talking about 600whp on your dyno? Because that would be a lot! Basically what I am asking is do you think you will max out that pump? I have almost the exact same setup. The only difference is I have the HKS Vpro vs your AEM and I have cams. I have the same turbo, injectors etc. Oh, I run two Denso pumps/lines instead. That is why I was curious. A stock TT 6spd over here would dyno about 290whp. There is roughly a 15% loss on our dyno jet dynos. Your dyno is more like our "mustang dyno". It is more realistic, but puts out lower numbers. There are pros and cons to each. Also, I think I read that you are putting an intake manifold on. Don't you think that is overkill on our small 67mm turbo? I know you were complaining about the lag cams create. Wait until you put that intake manifold on! That moves the whole power band way over to the right. But I am interested to see the differences. If you are interested. Here are my dynos with the BL67: http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501926 Our 600whp so i hear, i think you will be fine with a bosch 044, have you seen the size difference between a walbro? I run a solaris ECU not AEM. Yea i have concerns about the intake but for tha sake of science i want to try one out and my last supra had the Greddy intake on a GT4088 and never seemed to suffer with lag. Edited September 11, 2008 by JamieP (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 A stock TT 6spd over here would dyno about 290whp. There is roughly a 15% loss on our dyno jet dynos. Your dyno is more like our "mustang dyno". It is more realistic, but puts out lower numbers. There are pros and cons to each. I dyno'd my stock 6 speed on a dyno dynamics and it got 265rwhp, at 18% loss. (323 bhp give or take 1% loss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Single Walbro pumps have supported UK 550-600fwhp without issue, mine included, the Bosch should be good for over 700hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I dyno'd my stock 6 speed on a dyno dynamics and it got 265rwhp, at 18% loss. (323 bhp give or take 1% loss) I thought Ian C had recorded 8%drivetrain losses 18% drivetrain losses in 5th gear, thats more akin to a front wheel drive car not a RWD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I thought Ian C had recorded 8%drivetrain losses 18% drivetrain losses in 5th gear, thats more akin to a front wheel drive car not a RWD? You've got that the wrong way around, F(ront)WD would have less losses than a RWD car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 UK Flywheel Horse Power = US Rear Wheel Horse Power Roughly. Needless to say, we're right. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 A stock TT 6spd over here would dyno about 290whp. There is roughly a 15% loss on our dyno jet dynos. Your dyno is more like our "mustang dyno". It is more realistic, but puts out lower numbers. So people in the States would rather have a false higher number than a more accurate one? What's the point in that? (except bragging rights obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 If they all use the same type of dyno then makes no odds they over read, maybe ours under read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 If they all use the same type of dyno then makes no odds they over read, maybe ours under read? Exactly, its like our gallon, their gallon, it doesnt really matter, as long as you factor it in when looking at turbo claims e.t.c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 If they all use the same type of dyno then makes no odds they over read, maybe ours under read? The problem is there is no consistency with other Dynos. On a Dyno Dynamics...in shootout mode, the figures are what they are.. universally the same, as the correction factor and other variables cannot be altered/tweaked by the Dyno operator. In the US (and the Uk to some degree) the Dynojets and 'other dynos' all have lots of parameters that can be adjusted to account for different altitudes, humidity, temperature amongst other things. This means that the Dyno operators can and do fiddle the parameters to produce higher hp readings (eg// changin the CF).... meaning there is no consistency to their numbers. At least with DD in shootout it can be taken as fact that the numbers are right and comparable between cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I have never really taken much notice of dyno figures, speed over set distance is the only number worth quoting. Dyno numbers are a waste of time on their own, almost as useful as a BOV on an NA;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Yup dyno numbers dont mean much unless they are from the same dyno and same operator, even then the same car can make different numbers on different run and different days. They are a tunning tool that you can see what mods have done what on imo. All dynos can be rigged to make more power, try pulling the handbrake up a couple of clicks on run down and see what it does to the power figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Dyno Dynamics in shootout mode can be rigged? Thats the first Ive heard of it!! Not sure re the handbrake trick you mention though.. The only way a DD could be rigged in shoot out mode is by placing the room temp sensor in the exhaust or something hot, but it would be shown on the plot.... Only other way is strapping.... If you strap it hard it will be underpowered as it wont come up on the roller and grip properly. Totally agree with the comments on DD and is the only reason i choose to use them. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 All dynos can be rigged to make more power, try pulling the handbrake up a couple of clicks on run down and see what it does to the power figures. Doesn't work on DD's as they dont measure the run down like dasteks, maha's etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Ahh ok, Dan showed me that one on the Maha;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vase Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 UK Flywheel Horse Power = US Rear Wheel Horse Power Roughly. Needless to say, we're right. Obviously. I agree. For example dyno results here in Finland are very comparable to UK dyno results but in the US the figures are much higher. I guess everything just has to be bigger over there. We also have to remember that quite often the US dynoresults are made using race gas. I currently have the precision 74mm turbo which I'm about to install soon. With this turbo you could get anything from 800rwhp to 950rwhp in the US. This is NOT going to happen in europe even if race gas is used. My turbo was previously in a 2.2l bmw and it made 1000 flywheel horsepower using race gas so I'd say it might be capable to push something around 800hp using pump gas - maybe a bit more. Which brings us to the fact, US whp = European flywheel horsepower. EDIT: Oh, and good luck to your project buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 Getting my Sienna split rims refurbished so time to try out the winter wheels (racing hart evolutions sprayed black) traction is crap now but ive got a set of R888's on order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 they look better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I prefer the black on black look, shouts "dont mess with me f*cker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I prefer the racing harts tbh, but I've always liked those, only R.H's I've ever liked! That car is looking stunning now! Those black wheels accentuate the brakes better me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Why no get the center's done black on the 19's mate will look so much nicer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 im gonna buck the trend, i prefer the siennas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 I sprayed them black myself. Ive used different places for wheel refurbs, looks like im using wheels in motion this time for the siennas, just waiting to hear back from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Those black wheels don't look at all good to me. Siennas FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 I like the black on black but not to keen on the style of them racing harts, they was cheap enough though so will do for winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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