michael Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Apparently you need to earn £13,400 a year before tax to have a minimum standard of living: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7481927.stm The definition of a minimum standard of living was not merely the amount of money needed for survival, and included "more than just food, clothes and shelter", the report explained. "It is about having what you need in order to have the opportunities and choices necessary to participate in society," it said. For a single person of working age that included walking boots, a pay-as-you-go mobile phone and a bicycle. I don't have walking boots and a bike, I'm unacceptable to society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hmm.. I think they are forgetting that house prices are so stupidly expensive, most people below 25 if they are lucky enough to have a house, spend at least 30-60% on mortgage alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't have walking boots and a bike, I'm unacceptable to society We kinda knew that already Its a sorry state when you think you're earning a half decent wage to realise you can't afford to enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 oil price jump, food price jump, interest rate jump..... how long before "high earners" are living below the "poverty line" ? it makes me sick to know in saudi you get diesel for 6p a litre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Please show me someone who can live on £13k / year...That isn't living, that is barely surviving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hmm.. I think they are forgetting that house prices are so stupidly expensive, most people below 25 if they are lucky enough to have a house, spend at least 30-60% on mortgage alone. People don't have to own houses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't have walking boots and a bike, I'm unacceptable to society I don't even have a pay as you go mobile either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 People don't have to own houses though. it's a horrid circle though (the choice, not the house ) on one hand if you rent, your effectivly paying someone elses mortgage - and with so many people trying to get on the ladder, cheap rent is a fast becomming a thing of the past.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hmm.. I think they are forgetting that house prices are so stupidly expensive, most people below 25 if they are lucky enough to have a house, spend at least 30-60% on mortgage alone. Yeah - these figures explicitly exclude housing and childcare costs (so that other £500 a week that we're paying out doesn't count - after all, we could just live in the street, couldn't we!). The JRF's figures, which exclude the cost of rent or mortgage payments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7481927.stm Oh cr@p I haven't got a bird feeder..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I notice that on the short video 'still' a bucket and spade is under 'essential' items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Film tickets, a bottle of wine and a bird feeder were on the list of goods people need to participate in society. What crappy journalism.... 1. I don't go to the cinema as I don't particularly enjoy being sat in a room with a bunch of idiots who usually end up talking or chucking popcorn at the screen. (And I've got a home cinema system just so I don't do that) 2. No wine, I don't drink 3. Bird feeder....got a cat and it feeds on birds... What a load of toss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Oh cr@p I haven't got a bird feeder..... That's OK, you're not a pensioner. What's really annoying is that they pay someone to come up with this sh!^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The entire article is flawed.... Looking at the breakdown on the expenses... they reckon that the travel costs/clothing/etc are all pretty much the same between 1 kid and 4... TRUST me they aren't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Please show me someone who can live on £13k / year...That isn't living, that is barely surviving... I am near that salary and am doing just fine. Have my own house etc. However my g/f is also on the same wage so that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I am near that salary and am doing just fine. Have my own house etc. However my g/f is also on the same wage so that helps 2nd salary helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Please show me someone who can live on £13k / year...That isn't living, that is barely surviving... I get around 13k/year after tax, maybe slightly more. I'm doing pretty fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 needs to earn at least £13,400 a year before tax for a minimum standard of living Note before tax, that is a bit of a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 They were saying on thr news this morning that the survey assumes that having a car is listed as a non essential luxury item. Obviously put together by a bunch of city muppets for whom their daily commute is a short tube or bus hop from their one-room rented bedsit to their equally spacious office cubicle. Blinkered idiots like this make me sick. They should get out a little bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 2nd salary helps Ah good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The entire article is flawed.... Looking at the breakdown on the expenses... they reckon that the travel costs/clothing/etc are all pretty much the same between 1 kid and 4... TRUST me they aren't! Looks okay to me - the actual amount does go up with more kids, it's just the % breakdowns that stay about the same (although the "Other" percentage goes up with more children, which is briefly interesting!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 it also doesnt include rent you may have to pay does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Seems a waste of time that article to be honest. My council tax alone is £2k a year :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Seems a waste of time that article to be honest. My council tax alone is £2k a year :( 2k!? wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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