JustGav Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Progressive is always better than interlaced.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Interlaced and progress are two different things a 720p image has 720 lines a 1080i image has 1080 lines.. The manner in which the image is generated is different, 720p will do the full screen in one pass, whereas the 1080i does two screens of 720 with a single line offset, ie pass 1 will do 1,3,5, and pass 2 does 2,4,6... Yeah I understand the whole progressive where every line is refreshed and then interlaced, where as you what you say, lines are refreshed, I was told in the shops that it only refreshes colours/pixels whatever that need to be changed.....but what looks better quality wise, a 720p or 1080i.........which would lok sharper and crisper.......maybe the 720p would ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 good read, must change my tv setting when I get home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I haven't read all the posts in this thread so shoot me if this has been covered ... I have decided on the spec, which is a 37" LCD 1080p HD TV.... Ash, I would go for a plasma rather than an LCD. I have a good quality JVC 37" LCD, the reviews for it were all fantastic, but TBH it's very disappointing. The picture 'smear' (I don't know the correct term) when the camera pans is pretty bad, even to my untrained eye. Every time I see a similar sized plasma I notice how much better the picture is. $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Interesting... so what yields best results or is it a matter of opinion? My tv does both and I assumed 1080i is better. Most do both. It depends on the input, not what setting you have it on. Pretty sure all TV's that can handle 720p can handle 1080i, not so sure the other way around. If your signal is 1080i then use 1080i, if its 720p then use 720p. If you have 1080i and can't choose 720p then the picture won't be as nice on that tv as it would be on a 720p one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 1080i is better for films, but 720p is better for sport and gaming IMO. YEah thats why sometimes you get juddering on sports on SKy HD cause its being fed in 1080i.........as Gav said progressive is far better cause it refreshes the whole screen everytime......and not what just needs to be changed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Yeah I understand the whole progressive where every line is refreshed and then interlaced, where as you what you say, lines are refreshed, I was told in the shops that it only refreshes colours/pixels whatever that need to be changed.....but what looks better quality wise, a 720p or 1080i.........which would lok sharper and crisper.......maybe the 720p would ????? Here's the thing.... Given the latency time on plasma and lcd, by the time the pixel fades, it has already been hit by the next refresh. Also not knowing what the processing engines do exactly for all we know it could completely disregard the input as far as i or p goes, and resample it in software and output at the native resolution (in my case 720p), which I believe is more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I haven't read all the posts in this thread so shoot me if this has been covered ... Ash, I would go for a plasma rather than an LCD. I have a good quality JVC 37" LCD, the reviews for it were all fantastic, but TBH it's very disappointing. The picture 'smear' (I don't know the correct term) when the camera pans is pretty bad, even to my untrained eye. Every time I see a similar sized plasma I notice how much better the picture is. $0.02 Don't know the techincal term but i would describe it as almost trailing. Know exactly what you mean though Jake. I know that the manufacturers have been working on this for the bigger LCD's but i don't know how far they have came. I think that was the main reason why 37" was seen as the limit. Like yourself though i would go with plasma just to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 YEah thats why sometimes you get juddering on sports on SKy HD cause its being fed in 1080i.........as Gav said progressive is far better cause it refreshes the whole screen everytime......and not what just needs to be changed..... And the fact that most progressive screens can work in interlace mode also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Here's the thing.... Given the latency time on plasma and lcd, by the time the pixel fades, it has already been hit by the next refresh. Also not knowing what the processing engines do exactly for all we know it could completely disregard the input as far as i or p goes, and resample it in software and output at the native resolution (in my case 720p), which I believe is more likely. I dunno about that dude lol, all I know is I have a 40" LCD HD TV, thats true 1080p, 24 frames per second refresh rate for £500....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 See here http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=2009554&postcount=40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I dunno about that dude lol, all I know is I have a 40" LCD HD TV, thats true 1080p, 24 frames per second refresh rate for £500....... that is cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 I haven't read all the posts in this thread so shoot me if this has been covered ... Ash, I would go for a plasma rather than an LCD. I have a good quality JVC 37" LCD, the reviews for it were all fantastic, but TBH it's very disappointing. The picture 'smear' (I don't know the correct term) when the camera pans is pretty bad, even to my untrained eye. Every time I see a similar sized plasma I notice how much better the picture is. $0.02 From what I can tell that could be down to your refresh rate, or whether its true 1080p, what is its spec where this is concerned mate. Also remember when viewing standard Sky on a TV of this quality the picture will have to be upscaled, but thats what the Sony get reviewed quite highly on, there ability to upscale to a resonable definition....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I'm pretty sure mine doesn't upscale, it just displays the resolution it receives. Mine is also 1080i max. But it's like 2½ years old now, I'm sure things have improved since then. So what's this £500 one then? Can you get me one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I got mine from: http://www.beyondtelevision.co.uk/ Best to look around and use sites like pricerunner etc. They take into account the delivery charges as well to give you a final price. Do the research on google. Don't spend close on a grand without researching it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 You also might wanna consider getting a TV with built in Freesat (which is different from freeview) seeing as thats the way free HD channels seem to be going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 I'm pretty sure mine doesn't upscale, it just displays the resolution it receives. Mine is also 1080i max. But it's like 2½ years old now, I'm sure things have improved since then. So what's this £500 one then? Can you get me one? THis is what I have heard, 1080i you will get that judder or movement fade over say 1080p, with 1080p you wont get that, or so Im told And never mind can I get you a cheap TV for the moment, have you got onto your mate at JP Morgen for any possible contract work But once he has mine in I will ask for you...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Dont forget the 50hz / 100hz differences too, they help remove the ghosting with a higher refresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Pretty sure its only 50mhz, but the Bravia engine helps with a lot of things like this I think, taken from AVForums for my TV that Im getting.... http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738322 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Panasonic Viera -- This the HD TV to GET SPEC speaks for it self in terms of all thinks Supra its the 1200 BHP monster for TV's for Performance Just compare contrast Ratio to any other TV (Level of Blackness -- Pic Quality is based off this) And the the New Model has Internet browser/ WiFi built in so u can browse Web without need for PC just Internet Connection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Panasonic Viera -- This the HD TV to GET SPEC speaks for it self in terms of all thinks Supra its the 1200 BHP monster for TV's for Performance Just compare contrast Ratio to any other TV (Level of Blackness -- Pic Quality is based off this) And the the New Model has Internet browser/ WiFi built in so u can browse Web without need for PC just Internet Connection And whats the price on this puppy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Yeah the vieras were well rated by What HIFI magazine, as are the Pioneer KURO models (I'd have gone one of these if money was no object), and most of the Sony Bravia range got 4-5 stars. Theres a lot of good sets out there. Most of the cheaper sets are 50hz, you might be hard pushed currently to get a 1000 large set with a big named brand for under £1k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Basically if your a getting HD TV, 42 " Screen or bigger is required to get full benefit Pioneer Kuros are nice but only 720 resolution , plus they have stopped production of the Kuro Panle due to cost and are fitting them with Sharp panel now under the Pioneer Kuro Brand Panasonic Viera will also have THX Certification too on certain TV's THX certification ensures that high definition (HD) and standard definition content are presented with the correct color, luminance levels and video processing capabilities, regardless of the display technology I have done alot of research Panasonic is the one to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 QUOTE=Suprash;2009849]And whats the price on this puppy...... TH-42PZ85B Full HD Plasma-TV http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/557581/index.html?trackInfo=true 1700 Euro in Ireland, Not too sure if they have released WIFI one Yet it is to be released this summer http://www.bradburysappliances.co.uk/products/th42px60.jpg[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 wifi on a tv?!?! thats impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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